EU Report: ISIS Has Smuggled WMD Materials into Europe

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago to Government
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Although this is not strickly Objectivist, it is something we should be aware of. It basicallyy is saying the EU is incompetent, and since we know our government is equally or worse, this is something that may warrent attention. They found 6 "middle eastern" men 20 miles into the US with stainless steel cylinders in backpacks. Gee, what do you do with those? I'm leaning towards profiling...
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 5 months ago
    how does Israel stay safe? . they use profiling and interviewing
    and thorough research. . passionate research. -- j
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
      It's also interesting the way they do airport security. They don't bother with the mechanical searches. They train their agents to spot the tell-tale signs in facial expressions during questioning. And their track record is flawless. Just goes to show how useless the TSA is because they are being used to run machines instead of to profile people.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Exactly, John. They have something we lack: competent security and intelligence services that do their job. They do not waste time looking for frivolous political motivated "enemies of the state" like ours do. There for, they actually get the job done.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 5 months ago
        yup -- want security, hire an Israeli team! -- j
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        • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 5 months ago
          Just a wild Critical Thinking ponder...
          Do the Israelis use some other techniques to figure out what Methods Work Best, or, as I'd postulate for the US, is that shit determined by bureaucrats who've never gotten their shoes muddy in that field at all?

          Same as when State Legislatures (Legislators) with micro-experience in Education start designing class sizes, teaching techniques and teachers' salaries?

          Hm?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    Aw, c'mon. They're probably just soup containers. You know how hungry you get on a trip.
    News such as this merely creates more frustration to any rational person. Did you hear the President's speech? The same old crap warmed over to fit the occasion. Nothing of substance will be done so long as he is in office.
    After San Bernadino, there can be no doubt that the USA is a target for more atrocity. That's why it does no good to attack the spider's web. You must kill the spider
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Exactly, and the Obamanations speech was such drivel as to be reason for impeachment and toss his sorry ass and his herd out. Hire a few thousand unemployed and get better service and some work done, as they are not all politically indoctrinated drones who lie,cheat and steal. Obama is the antithesis of a president if ever there was one.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      For most terrorists they like to change out targets, tactics, techniques and technicals. Keep the other side guessing and guarding the wrong areas. In doing so piss off the population

      Some exceptions were targeting US Style supermarkets in or near areas of extreme poverty and then opening the doors for looting by locals.

      Other repeat occurrences were banks if they needed money or pehaps just opened the doors and let local looting take care of the contents.

      Meticulous planning and rehersals were the hall marks.

      Terrorism changed when it became important to leave lots of collateral damage (innocent bystanders) bodies laying around and people screaming for protection thus the cycle of repression began as required measures and suspensions of civil liberties were shut down. Government then started being the bad guys while real bad buys were liberating a super market.

      A third edition when the Islamics added suicide missions. Nothing new just the end result. Jumping on a hand grenade and winning a Medal of Honor, buying a pill in Oregon, smoking two packs a day for thirty years, strapping on a dynamite vest, playing Russian Roulette 6:1, going to war with the Democrats vs. the Republicans the current odds are 18 soldiers dead in a Dino War to 1 in a Dumbo War. the diffrence is in odds and degrees of relativity. Still all of them are an individual killing their own selves. Politics, Religion, are the reasons but the choice is made by the individual.

      .The absolute dumbest reason I've ever hears is aborting a male fetus so the son wouldn't get drafted.

      The latest step is the government using the same steps and any old crisis for an excuse to reverse the goal - in their favor. That's part of how our nation lost this last go round.

      Actually something of substance was accomplished from Bush I to Clinton to Bush II and Obeyme. We became a police state and lost our constitution. The rest of it is pure economics - Greed fueled by Hate and a public that is only too willing to allow the first and provide the second - on command.

      Else why would they vote for the cause every two years?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
    They hate Trump when he says to stop muslim immigration until the government figures out w"whats going on".

    BUT, our government let in the two muslim terrorists that just killed off the people in San Bernardino. They let in the ones that blew up the world trade center in New York. Obviously the current method of keeping terrorist killers out of the country HASNT WORKED !!

    Since most of the terrorists come from the muslim population, and we have been unsuccessful at weeding out the terrorists from the so-called "moderate" muslims who dont do violence, but subscribe to the Koran which DOES promote violence against the "non-believers" (translation US)- Maybe the solution IS to keep muslims from coming into the USA until we figure out how to make the distinction (or the muslims themselves take the violent part of their Koran OUT)
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      That is mean spirited, racist diatribe! You will soon have a yellow sticker on you mail box and be carted away for re-education in the States policies, and correct thinking.
      Actually, that is exactly the right idea. Trump may be a loon, but he does get to the heart of an issue and point out what is not working. His solutions are sometimes a lot of vague blather, meaning he does not have any better idea, but this time he is on to something. Stop, and let them in slowly and carefully. My question was how does an foriegn looking person get to go buy lots of guns and bullets and not raise a question, even after the fact. I know gun dealers are probably loath to be called racist anti everybody pigs, but a phone call may have helped here. No one is talking about the guns or the money, and that is where they all went wrong. As O'Reiley pointed out, Americans are buying guns because of Obama, not in spite of him.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 5 months ago
    We are seeing history play out before our eyes. The Muslims are taking over Europe like they took over North Africa. North Africa was, at one time before Islam, almost 100% Christian. Piece by piece they get into positions power and then exclude non-Muslims. The non-Muslims are forced to convert to Islam or suffer a live beheading.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      There was a document filed in a court case they talked about on Fox tonight, that said that was their exact plan for the US. If we continue to play footsie, and worry about "Islamophobia" crap, that will indeed happen.
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 5 months ago
    This doesn't address the post directly, but since the discussion takes different turns, I think this website might be of interest to those here:
    Centerforsecuritypolicy.org
    I heard the founder, Frank Gaffney, speak last week and his information was both illuminating and terrifying. I especially recommend checking out their publications, some of which are downloadable for free. In particular is reading the "Explanatory Memorandum from the Archives of the Muslim Brotherhood" is a very chilling wake up call. And it can't be called 'racism' because it is their OWN words. Knowledge is the first weapon we have.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Racism is another term abused by the left and manipulated for anyone's advantage. Calling a prune a prune, or a dried out plum, does not constitute any prejudice. Our mistake is letting people manipulate the Constitution with terms like "You can't exclude Muslims because it is unconstitutional. They are not excluding them for their religion, they are excluding them because some of them want to kill us, which I do not think is a constitutional guarantee. Until the Muslim world wakes up and asserts control, as other religions have had to do, they will get lumped together, unless they want to tag the extremists like cows.
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      • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 5 months ago
        Exactly. In addition, people have been excluded from the US for over a century. Just think of the Chinese exclusion act, for example. It could have been called the Buddhist/Taoist/Confucian exclusion act, since the Chinese behaved in a way that was economically competitive. And that was done merely for economic competition. Today, the Muslims are KILLING people, and no one wants to do anything about it. Stupidity squared.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
          Apparently, the current Imperial leadership does not view that as much of a problem, because we know: Only black lives matter.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
            Not that that is true, but that is their alternate left handed response to anything. Look at how hard they tried to make SB be all about workplace violence. Then when that blew up, they just started the "Love them to death" BS.
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  • Posted by MountainLady 8 years, 5 months ago
    The article states:

    Already, British police forces have been conducting exercises on how to deal with various types of terrorist attack. But the EU report claims that government should 'consider publicly addressing the possibility of terrorist attack using chemical, biological, radiological or even nuclear materials'.

    Perhaps NATO should reassess where the real threat to Europe (and the world) originates, and join forces with Putin and Russia. Instead of alienating him.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 5 months ago
    Man! If this is to be War to the Death, we'd better
    get prepared. It looks to me like if something is
    to happen, it will be in the next year or so, while
    Obama is still in office.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      For two thirds of WMD they don't need to smuggle it in country for one third it's usually just a matter of buying readily available chemicals in common use for other purposes....changing the delivery system. Buying a large farming system would answer most of those requirements.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
    Maybe after something like this goes off Europe will recognize the true threat of the militant ideology which is Islam and how utterly incompatible it is with freedom and Western civilization. I don't see any change in our nation, however, until a non-Democrat occupies the White House. Our current administration wants to see the Muslims spread and win. There is no other explanation for their actions.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Not sure if Europe will ever wake up and disengage from their political system of peace, love, good socialism, and no involvement. If Paris does not wake them up, they are in a Darwinian moment.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 5 months ago
    governments love to work on solving mysteries. if the know that this wmd's stuff is real why don't they just cut of the head of the snake i.e. like destroying the source saudi arabia. they are the finances paying for all of the weapons used by isis and now paying for the scientists who are dam sure not arabs who are making this stuff. finding the wmd's will only prove they are doing the job of finding stuff, but the arabs will learn how to circumvent for the next shipment. governments do not want this situation to end. gives them something to do.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Because SA just gave the Obamanation a 1.5 million payoff last year. I am willing to bet they have been schmoozing the Europeans as well. You do have the right objective, though I wouldn't limit it so much.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
    Whats the matter with private citizens "profiling"? Other than being politically incorrect, its a way to quickly and easily put people into categories when you dont have time to analyze each and every person. Its not perfect, and one might incorrectly categorize a black youth with jeans hanging off his ass- BUT when there are thousands of people surrounding you, there is just no time to be perfectly accurate.

    As to Muslims, given that they all seem to go along with the Koran, which says violence against non believers is OK (or they wouldnt be muslims), I am very likely to be suspicious that at any time they might decide to eliminate me for my reluctance to believe in their faith. Therefore, bringing them into our country particularly in an en-masse way is inviting trouble. I think its up to the muslims to disavow that part of the Koran and distance themselves from the terrorists. Until they do that, I would support a ban on importing muslims into the US.

    Freedom of religion doesnt mean freedom to use religion as a reason to kill me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    I wanted to stick the subject after a few response to say this is nothing new.

    In the sixties a writer for Parade magazine the Sunday newspaper supplement donned a Russian Army Colonel's full uniform and bag in hand hitch hiked across the entire USA. In the bag was a contraption he had made with all sorts of nuclear warning stickers. His cover was very thin. Car broke down and he's hitch hiking to the nearest airport.

    The miyth of safety behind the barrier of Pacific and Atlantic Oceans was stronger but it's still in effect buttressed by PC and the fear of being called racist or profiler or whatever...

    Referring; to another post about San Bernadino I get multiple packages every month delivered and I frequent strange places that speak for the Constitution. But if someone profiled that into a call to the police I'd invite them in for coffee.

    Fact is I'm in the same ethnic cultural group as Timothy McVeigh and if you are looking for a Euro-American with propensity or at least no antipathy or abhorrence to violence I might be worth looking at. Add working knowledge and experienced in methodology and tactical skills using provided or kitchen made devices... I'm high on the list. But since i don't look like a camel jockey... pr if I mentioned in passing a preference for voting Democrat...or listening to Streisand etc. etc. etc. no one would take a second look.

    Profiling is built on percentages but to cross that witnesses make lousy witnesses. A decent profile takes that into account. No profile takes nothing into account. Chances are very high the local police in every area I've lived have me on their list already. I say that because I've been asked to help out more than once.

    My answer would have been scuba diving...

    And then I would produce my dive card.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      I would say that for some dude to get across country in the 60's was the equivalent of what happened in Ca. Just shows how the government creature is too stupid to be trusted with our safety.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    Link doesn't work and pjmedia not accessible through Google search either nor are the other sources.

    So...Comment. The WMD listed are chemical and biological two of the three. Physics was mentioned.

    You should be aware that since 2003 Chemical and Biological forms of WMD have been deemed not WMD by the PC tribunals of the left. Only nuclear and then only in certain carefully descried forms and maybe not then.

    At least that's how the mantra goes.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
      Link worked for me, even though I have pop-ups and ads disabled.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
        I am in the real world, the 40% with internet has limited bandwidth but the real word in the USA says you must individually be able to handle ten times what our local systems handle for everyone. Which means they aren't going to do business with the super bandwidth advertisers.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
          Doh.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
            price I pay for living in FNA
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
              OK, I give: "FNA"? I have a guess...
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
                Free North America or you could call it FUS for Free United States.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
                  I thought so. I guess you are rural? For years we lived with dial up 55K, and one day I heard in the post office they had DSL in town, and turns out Qwest was forced to do it by the state. One of the very rare times they did something useful, should be a holiday. We paid for it over and over with their dumbass "access fees and taxes", so I consider it value for value (for once).
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
                    Our first phone number had four digits. Beyond that you asked the operator to connect and she knew everyone in the area four digits by memory. Ours was 6507. Direct dial over half the country came next. But for long distance it involved another operator in the next county. That didn't change much until after the forced break up of Ma Bell..There was no k. that didn't happen until circa 1990 40 years after we moved thank god and greyhound from the city back east by Europe somewhere to the rural west. Prior to McDonalds, and way prior to freeways.

                    The only thing that saved the nation was a merger between Carl's Junior and Hardees.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Weird, I clicked on link and it worked. I am not familiar with them, but they look to be a right sided media outlet. If what you say is accurate, then there is something really strange going on, in that a binary explosive on a plane would seem to be "WMD" unless the term "mass" has some number associated. These goobers should be looking for anything that can be used. If that is the facts, no wonder they had so much death in Paris.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
        WMD has a specific meaning in the realm of NBC or CBN or ABC Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, Chemical, Biological, Nuclear and earlier Atomic, Biological, Chemical. Weapons of Mass Destruction

        FBI version These are weapons that have a relatively large-scale impact on people, property, and/or infrastructure.

        No one says it but the inference is large masses of people not limited to military by virtue of it' uncontrolability other than by weather prediction. Therefore any plant or animal kingdom life can be killed or threatened. No specific numbers or quantities are mentioned. Given a somewhat enclosed area such as a football stadium or the Chamber of the House of Representatives which can seat the entire membership of congress, leadership of the executive branch and Supreme Court a good hyperbaric explosion could be counted in that way. LBJ could have been counted as WMD for the KIA rate in in the Vietnam War if time and distance factors were stretched a bit.

        JP 3-40 sets this out in as much detail as they care to use. Joint Publication

        The U.S. military refers to WMD as: Chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties and exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part from the weapon.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
          Well, thats been rendered down to exclude a whole lot and define a whole little....
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
            i thought you would like that. The minds of careerists are strangely similar to the minds of any politician. Defining something like that more precisely might go like this. Civilians are going to get killed in large numbers and perhaps in another country or if conditions are right around the world.

            The objections seem invariably from those who suddenly realize the battle field is not 10,000 miles away but right here. Whether it's delivered by the jet streams or by some looney tunes is immaterial.

            Running a recon team of five to six people I thought of three as to many and four as mass.
            It's all relative unless there is some quote where some one has tried to pin it down to say 15,500 or 537.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
              Reminds me of Heinlein's lecture in Starship Trooper, where they ask how many prisoners of war were enough to fight over. They had a discussion where limits were placed and numbers thrown, but ultimately the answer was one. While the WMD idea is disturbing, the mere fact that this is a known thing just illustrates the total ineptitude in the entire apparatus. Coloring it with rhetoric and bombast just compounds the crime.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
                Full Circle. But not circular reasoning. It's why good units go to great lengths never to leave anyone even their dead behind. The careerist would leave live POWs, live WIA, and dead of course KIA and then expect the next unit they SEND in to give full measure.

                Instead the next unit may just hole up, construct an imaginary 'walk through the assigned area,' extract and give that report. Minimizing risk for they have no faith in the the rear area support system and no reason to risk ...anything includiing having to stand in parade where the careerist REMF gets the medals having risked nothing. i cannot speak for the current generation....I somehow doubt things have changed since 1970 .

                Where I learned that lesson? Heinlein's lecture i Starship Troopers. In real life I found it to be accurate and truthful and very objective.

                And when the tour was done we went home only to be hounded with pleas for money to some unit organization after the organization had abandoned us when and where it counted.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
                  Well, there are a lot of arguments against leaving your casualties behind, some may not be dead, and those that are KIA, will be rifled and give some intelligence to the enemy, and most importantly, honor. I am not so sure that our military today teaches all that. I have 2 sons in the Army and when I visit, they do not speak well of their leadership or senior staff.
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