Say what you will, but we now have a Libertarian as Speaker of the House.

Posted by Zero 8 years, 6 months ago to News
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Maybe I just have lower standards for politicians - but I'm kinda pleased about this.

Will it make any difference - I don't know - probably not. Seems its all bad news lately.

But I'll take what I can get.
We now have a person with strong free-market views 3rd in line for the Presidency!
Ha!

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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Translation: You love helping the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not the nose on my face, its the noose that the statist party puts around my neck that I object to.
    You have not refuted the argument.
    Personal attacks do not change the reality that I have stated.
    The GOP is responsible for the Patriot Act.
    Republicans voted for the National Firearms Act (1934) and Federal Firearms Act of 1938.
    Republicans voted 178 to 43 in favor of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
    There are thousands of bills the GOP has passed that trample on our liberty and enlarge the state.
    Evil is evil.
    A vote for the GOP is a vote for evil.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now you assume too much! This conversation is a circular argument as to who is the "real" conservative....and it is a losing proposition I assure you. You might as well argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.....As for thinking, I can assure you that I can! Every bit as well as you seem to think you can.

    Now that we have established that we are probably in "violent" agreement on most if not all points, perhaps we can agree to agree on these issues!
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ahh...the No True Scottsman fallacy of logic.

    Just because I am awake and I see the "Tea Party" for what it is does not make me a "Democrat". I am wise enough to know that there isn't a difference between the two parties of any real substance. And, by acknowledging that the Tea Party crap is connected to the GOP you have actually agreed with me.

    If you would like to take the red pill (ala The Matrix) and see reality I can help you. But, you must first shed the media brain washing that Republicans are conservative and Democrats are liberal - they are both corporatist (fascist) and support the military industrial complex and the Federal Reserve first, then they have some slight differences around the edges.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly!
    It was a planned astroturf media event. It splintered into many different groups, all with differing "goals", because there was no basic premise to begin with, other than people were angry. I went to the first one in my area, it was nothing but Neocons and ill-informed simpletons wearing Rush Limbaugh t-shirts. That is why it fairly quickly disappeared, it was arranged to be useful for that one mid-term election so people would feel good about sending more GOP leeches to Congress.

    It is OK you were fooled. So long as it happens only once.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You assume way too much, and you obviously have a hard time thinking. First of all, I organized the REAL Tea Party - that being a celebration of the original one in Boston in December of 2007 to support Ron Paul which was the largest campaign fundraising day of all time. We rallied against the IRS, the Iraq War, FEMA, the FED, etc.....

    Then the Neocons/RNC bastards stole the idea and turned it into a FOX News carnival. Yes, I went to the first "Tea Party" in my area. It was a puke-fest of fake conservatives and GOP morons. There were Rush Limbaugh T-shirts for Christ's sake. And Glenn Beck supporters. Hell, Karl Rove/Marx was one of the speakers. Just a bunch of red, white & blue clad sheeple who didn't know why they were gathering in the first place.

    I assure you, I am not a progressive. I am a Constitutionalist, a true conservative not a Neocon, and an objectivist libertarian overall, and a 3%'er and an Oathkeeper. You are a sheep, and easily fooled.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am in total agreement with you on that! It is sad to see how Market Socialism keeps spreading throughout the fabric of this country. The Establishment seems to have unwittingly embraced this "road to nowhere"....
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have always tried to pay attention to the "little things" that are indicative of the larger developing situations or that support existing ones that we do not agree with. You are right.
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can agree with most of what you state with the exception of the far right. The center as I define it is much more fascistic. The far right, as I see it, are the group that believes in a small government with limited power. One that let's people make their own decisions which is what made this country great.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing actually I just used it as an example of 'cute' although deprecating was the outcome in both situations. To be very kind. I some how doubt you were involved in that sad episode of another wise needed movement. No response needed. I see it as a reminder to people who forget their goals and values for things of little value and that's what happened back then.
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  • Posted by mdant 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ha, I understand perfectly well all right. You are one of those people that want to cut off your head because you do not like your nose. What good does it do you or anyone else to help elect someone that is going to destroy your world faster, simply because the other person has offended you! Get control of your hate and act with practicality.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I beg your pardon? "plonk"? Are you shooting at me or toasting me? What is "plonk"?

    Jan, 5+ hours after "plonk"...whatever it was
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On the other hand when they do the death rate of US Service personnel in conflicts they start and manage is 1:18 compared to the wars and conflicts the Democrats start and mis-manage. Common comment in the combat arms. Never go to war with a Democrat in the White House. Very practical reasoning.

    That is from late 1940's Greece to the last few months. Truman gets credit for Korea LBJ for Vietnam, Bush and Bush for Kuwait and Iraq and Obama for Afghanistan. The only rule for professional soldiers is who started or responded to some situation. 18 to is a very strong reason for the professional military - to vote Republican and not Democrat.

    It is not accidental the majority of votes received by the left came a. from the Pentagon and other rear areas and the majority for Republicans came from from front line personnel. The RE in REMF means Rear Echelon.... I wondered with the new abilities, weapons, and equipment if 18:1 would change. That was the only real difference I found between the Left and Right wing of the Left. So far the difference is statistically insignificant.

    Add in WWII the left of the left stands no chance.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 6 months ago
    Zero: You've had a long 24 hrs...

    This is what you call walking in to a hornet's nest!

    I have learned some things from your post, it has been most insightful.

    Thank you.
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  • Posted by Zero 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, thank you JC.
    Took a minute for the words to sink in.

    A sage observation and balm for the rash.

    Well met sir! (Ma'am?)
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  • Posted by Zero 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The degree of evil is immaterial."

    Believe me, I'm really ready to leave this whole post behind, but...
    I saw this part again - repeated over and over again - the defining point of your argument - and it is complete bunk.

    I have to call it out before walking away.

    "The degree of evil is immaterial."
    What hogwash.

    I have lied to my spouse, many others have cheated on their's, a few have killed them.
    Are we morally equivalent? Is the degree of evil is immaterial?

    If you're about to say any variation of "YES" just speak to the hand.
    I stopped having these kinds of arguments in 10th grade.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No you don't understand or you wouldn't continue to excuse the traitorous acts.
    That thinking is what keeps the statists in power. They just change tactics when the GOP reigns. Instead of Obamacare you got Fatherland Security.
    Neither is acceptable. Stop making excuses for the evil bastards who steal your liberty, your privacy, and your property. Evil is evil.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wondering if there will be any answer to your
    question re: the personal liberties that Peru
    & Iceland have - that WE don't?? Interesting!
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  • Posted by mdant 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand your point, but I do not think it is entirely correct. Obama Care and nothing similar would have happened under a Republican president...or at least it would not have happened anytime in the near future.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael A: Not sure what you are asking a response to...
    Anyway, there is a BIG difference in VOTING for a "cute butt" and applying "Boner" to Boehner in a deprecating manner. Is this your question?
    I found Esceptico's reference funny, no harm in that.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So? JLC can take care of JLC..does it quite well. But sine you made it personal .....plonk.. About one hour from now.
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  • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 6 months ago
    I had such a strong reaction to the headline that I'm replying without reading the other comments...

    Paul Ryan is absolutely not a libertarian! Any libertarian views that he holds are mere coincidence, random intersections with whatever philosophy he might have. You can't even pin a name on his belief system, a mish mash of conflicting values.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong you are using leftist PC definitions. The two are both fascist both socialist and reside in the left wing of the left. Libertarians reside slightly to the right of center. NOT the center of the left . The center where resides the Constitution. Use the leftist definitions you are shackled by their words and they ain't your friends dude they are your jailers.

    THINK!
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