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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We've got a great property, but it is not waterfront. Waterfront is essential. It's the bug I got, gotta have it or we'll just stay where we are.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have a great property in mind, but it's not waterfront and it's in Colorado. It has a bigger "bunker", though. Caveat - I'm not sure it's still for sale.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 8 years, 7 months ago
    Has nothing to do with stopping anything except the right of the people to bear arms. They are using the Anti-Gun Manual they put together and gave out to all the anti-gunners in the MSM and organizations across the country to finally destroy our last piece of protection which is keeping the communists, [call them socialist's if you want, but Karl Marx wrote that socialism is the stepping stone to get capitalism to move to communism], from taking over our country.

    If you look at Zogby polls it shows for the first time ever the pro 2nd Amendment vs the anti-gun vote is 51 to 49 percent.

    Think about that the margin of error is usually 3% and with this many uneducated voters the gov't could plow through anti-gun legislation without much of an uproar. If you think that crazy, ask yourself this:
    Is it an infringement to have to get a permit?
    Is it an infringement to have to register [license (you know the paperwork you fill out with the weapons serial number on it)] a weapon?
    Is it an infringement to tax the purchase of a weapon or ammo?
    Is it an infringement to require you to take courses before being able to buy a weapon?

    As to taxing the purchase, why is it they cannot tax bread, milk, eggs, or meat but, they can tax weapons and ammo?

    You see they have been taking over for years and this CPOTUS [Clown President Of The United States] thinks its time to finish the job.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No Zen, the poster wrote exactly what I transcribed without being edited. You are the one who has edited it.

    I'm done with your insults, Zen. I'll allow you the last word.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, Salty; The poster said: "Once you learn the concept.....you won't need to fear..."
    Conservatives, since 9/11 have used our fear to take our freedom and grind it into the ground, and they're upping their game.
    I don't live my life in fear because rationally, I don't see anyone around me to substantiate fear, unless you count the people in my government, or the conservatives that seem to want to give up more and more of our freedoms, and want the US to intervene in other men's lives and their countries' problems without invitation.
    I still keep my weapons accessible as I have most of my life, but I don't sleep with them under my pillow or point them at strangers when I first encounter them. And I find all the fear mongering going on this site lately, an Objectivist site, to be insulting and sad.
    Fear can be a useful emotion, but only when it's rationally assessed and used by the individual feeling it. But when one let's it control them and their reactions, it can kill.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are in the process of trying to find a new home. I got this bug in my head that we need waterfront property. The house we just looked at (when I had to go in msg above, about a five hour drive one way) had a vault door that led into an underground concrete bunker about 6 feet high by 3-1/2 feet deep by about 6 feet wide. I bribed my wife, if we bought this house I wouldn't need to buy another gun safe, but I might have to buy some more guns to fill it up. We almost made an offer but she wasn't ready to pull the trigger, so to speak. We're still looking in Spokane area and/or Idaho. Any good leads would be appreciated.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    no, I start from foundations and take no short cuts, salty. it is HUGELY inconvenient, but I am compelled as an Objectivist to go through all of the steps. You consistently miss the forest because you hang around in the trees
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you're saying that I couldn't believe that the levee should be fixed or are you saying that I couldn't believe that I don't want tax dollars to go to New Orleans?

    Your position is untenable, K, and thus flawed.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Who is still supporting his actions?"
    I think it works like this. Something bad happens and it sort-of feels good to hear it's someone else to blame. If you're in an area without a lot of guns, it feels good to hear the problem is guns because you don't know anyone whose into guns. If you're in an area with guns, maybe you want to hear the problem is atheists. So if you're a politician, you get a little bump for supporting the idea of making life a little harder for people who use guns, atheists, or whatever group is different from your supporters.

    The bad thing is that this sometimes turns into real laws. Not only does it set people against one another but it furthers the idea that gov't taking away some right is the acceptable way to deal with any problem.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    JC, it is difficult to be on an Ayn Ran site and be in theminority. Sometimes you've got to lay stuff on the line and you are a little snippy about it. sometimes its in your rational self interest because the jolt helps, sometimes it's not. carry on :)
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you are not talking about "truth" but an evaluation of truth.
    and example Truth is gravity causes the Earth to rotate around the Sun. There is not three truths there, but one. Some people may think that's good or bad-but that is an evaluation of facts.

    There is ONE objective truth.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry....that's a gotcha question. The russians were the first using gaskets on the front end of the cylinder and a standard suppressor. They were also the second using a trick based on one of your carriers. The US was third and most successful converting Model 29 S&W for use by Tunnel Rats in Vietnam.

    The trick was not silencing the weapon but the cartridge itself. So... beefed up necked down .44 down to .357 cartridge (which in real life along with the .38 and the 9mm and the 9mm short or .380 has never been more than .355 to .356 the rest was advertising) The necked down portion was heavily built up and held a piston disc with a rod, powder loaded from the rear and the primer seated last. All that was left was the revolver actions as the cylinder turned and the hammer cocked. And the pin striking the primer.

    Primer ignited powder burned and expanded and slammed the piston forward just like launching jet the bullet was propelled by that force with enough power to do the job at 50' to 100 feet'.

    The explosion was contained as the disc sealed the end of the cartridge at the neck. No suppressor needed Voila the world's first but not last use of a fully sound suppressed revolver (other than mechanical action. No sonic boom so very quiet.

    Some were developed for use in semi-automatic pistols as well.

    This was one of the few if not only weapons designs not stolen from the Germans. But Russia was not the only country to do that. The famous Springfield rifle of WW1 fame had a Mauser Action and our courts made the government pay the royalties after that war.

    No proof but one story claims Russian designer of the sound suppressed cartridge followed the design of ...you guessed it... Navy carriers launching with steam catapults. Developed by the British. Which brings us back to SaltyDog.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm an expert with a 12-guage pump (or used to be when I repeatedly NRA qualified) and I have one of those.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zen: Really?! Come on, you can do better than that. I most always enjoy your comments as they are insightful and original but you must have mixed Mentos in your Coke!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was Hillary. "Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste." The quote originated in South America from a strategy by Carlos Marighella of Brazil who wrote Mini Manual For the Urban Guerrilla and The Cycle Of Repression used by the Tupamaros of Uruguay. Originally a way for a small underfunded and equipped revolutionary force to succeed against a very popular and completely democratic Republic style of Government by turning their moral strengths against them through creating fear and the willingness of the public to give up civil rights in order to be protected.

    The tactical portion was never attacking the same type of target twice nor use the same methods or technology. Thus the government forces never knew what to defend. Tupamaros were defeated by a whisker an the the once proud "Switzerland of South America' never fully regained what it had lost. The one common factor was always ensure the target area included innocent women and children.

    Gradually the increased repression used by the government at the behest of citizens took it's toll and they began to support the insurgents ....you starting to think this sounds familiar? It is. What Hillary referred was a reversal of roles where the Government uses the Cycle of Repression against it's own citizens. Gradually it evolved into the formation of the first Protective Echelon (German for Schutz Staffel) in North America and the future Directorate of Internal State Security was formed.

    In giving up the moral and political values of the Bill of Rights the US lost that round - the terrorists (foreign) won and we now face domestic terrorism as a result.

    TSA is but a small part of it....the only question is where will they strike next. I make a point of never attending high school basketball games recalling the movie Carrie.

    Sell your soul for perceived safety and security and reap the whirlwind...

    Lots of resources may be found on a google search. It's standard fare for training in certain of our military units and has been since the sixties. Oddly enough I never saw them invited to join in the new organization. But the instant expert amateurs arrived by the thousands.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kh: Yes, "objective comments to rise to the top" but if a Gulch member shoots down a legitimate post this is stretching thin the "objectivism". The Gulch Code of Ethics does state that chastising other Gulch Members is frowned upon. I have a lot of respect for you Kh and I guess I would have expected a somewhat different comment from you in regards to Zenphamy's harsh comments to Salty...
    However, as you later stated, and I too want, "reason and truth to win the world. So be it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even with a semi jacketed hollow point round which means you have to polish the feed ramp among other things it's a wuss round. Useful only if you are in a part of the world where the ammunition is available in quantities. .40 cal or 10 mm to say it another way should be the minimum UNLESS you can shoot as well as i do which took forty plus years in which case a .22 will do nicely. One need s 17 round plus magazines and one in the spout precisely because it takes three times as many hits to do what one .45 cal slug will accomplish. The other rule is remember pistols are for 20 feet or less. Those being the averages and most not carrying a TC carry a combination that will the most with the least trigger pulls rather than the opposite. For revolvers the optimum at low end is a .357 Magnum rated pistol with at least a 125 grain SJHP Plus P. and a few of it's big brothers on the side. After that a 12 gauge with #4 Buck or slugs and then your in long gun territory.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True except they are part and parcel for the most part. It's time for the citizens to do something about it except....sad to say....they are part of the parcel as well. I was seriously thinking of changing the phrase Government Party to Couch Potato Party.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You'll get no argument from me on the principle. However, the devil is in the details as they say.

    Let me toss this out:

    If I had lived in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina, the most important truth in the world to me is that the Army Corps of Engineers MUST reinforce the levees, and further, anyone who disagrees with me on that is simply wrong. However, I don't live in New Orleans, and I might think that anyone who chooses to live in a soup bowl 40 feet below sea level is a dolt, and I might object to spending tax dollars to fix anything there.

    You see, differences is our perception of 'truth' can make for good, and sometimes spirited debates among civil people. People who refuse to be civil, however, deserve nothing more than to be ignored by both sides of the discussion.
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