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John Quincy Adams on Immigration, 1820

Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago to History
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H/T: Marsha Enright, Gulch Scholar

so many great pull-quotes, but this one I found most interesting:

"We expect therefore very few, if any transplanted countrymen from classes of people who enjoy happiness, ease, or even comfort, in their native climes. The happy and contented remain at home, and it requires an impulse, at least as keen as that of urgent want, to drive a man from the soil of his nativity and the land of his father’s sepulchres. Of the very few emigrants of more fortunate classes, who ever make the attempt of settling in this country, a principal proportion sicken at the strangeness of our manners, and after a residence, more or less protracted, return to the countries whence they came."


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  • Posted by UncommonSense 8 years, 7 months ago
    Outstanding article. Thanks for sharing. I wish we had+1500 John Q. Adams within the Beltway today.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    stand behind pro free market solutions. welfare states bring out the worst in people in my opinion
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Spelling checker changed my first word- should have been "current". I stand by my comment. I live in Las Vegas and the great proportion of the immigration here from South America are looking for the freebies we give them. Mexico is a socialist country in many ways, so they come here and are delighted by the government handouts available here that aren't possible in poorer Mexico. Surely there are some immigrants who want to come here because of our freedoms and values, and they learn English and add to our cultures

    My point is that these are increasingly fewer and farther between, especially within the hordes which have come from South America. I see this every day unfortunately
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yet, we are plagued, even on this site, with Us vs them. I wonder what my anti-immigration friends would have done if born in Iraq or Syria? My good friend immigrated from Iraq in the 90s. She was able to do this because her husband was a famous soccer player and the Denver team picked him up. They came over and she did not work against capitalism. She embraced it. started her own business with her skills, brought her family over, divorced her Sharia loving husband and made a new life for herself-her parents as well. Don't play poker with her :)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that is a collectivist statement. Most immigrants that I know, including my great grandparents, wanted an opportunity to make a living. the problem is the welfare system and how it is used.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No doubt.
    I hope that when it comes to immigration we can, with a few caveats, return to what was rather than what is.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, and that was no accident or coincidence. The policies have nothing to do with open borders, just a way to control people, and specifically to make everyone possible a criminal by definition.
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  • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really like the story.

    But it is real concern that it can no longer happen...
    part of the reason would be -
    "made it to NYC, found a job, became a citizen"
    I think today you would not even be allowed in, or perhaps soon deported.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 8 years, 7 months ago
    Thanks- really enjoyed this posting Kh.
    It has been many years since reading any of JQA's writings. Intriguing indeed.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True as far as it goes, but we should at least stop subsidizing the poor to breed more of them.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago
    Correct immigrants don't want to assimilate into OUR culture. They just want more goodies than they get in their culture and to bring their culture here
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  • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, patriots try to get rid of of some of the variables for "ptriot." dry irony that makes my blood boil
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1st and fourth generation in those terms and I'm sad to report the 5th generation is largely x+y=zero. I am to borrow a phrase from Louis L'Amour one of many who can claim the title "Last Of The Breed." The rest of you take a bow. When we go the amount that can claim the title Patriot will diminish rapidly.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The official title of one of the primary programs for that is Davis-Bacon. The unofficial title for most of the rest of it is 'earmarking.'
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 7 months ago
    Hmm, can we, 'Americans' act strange enough to scare the hell out of the huddled masses packing?
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  • Posted by not-you 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, khalling, immoral people exist everywhere. A=A People here who work hard and pull the wagon have just as many objections to those born here to parents who are already citizens being moochers, too. A=A And, yes, we DO oppose the mass importation of whole flotillas of even MORE moochers who have NO clue how a democratic republic works--nor do they give sh*t. We are also not happy with the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment to include automatic birthright citizenship for the off spring of people who are not citizens--it causes moochers to enter and to 'game the system.' Such situations result when people appointed to high courts by politicians with agendas have an opportunity to read their own beliefs (however subjective) into vaguely stated premises rather than specifically codified law. I am well aware that you support open borders and unrestricted migration...which you euphemistically refer to, "freedom to travel." And we are just as sick as you are of the immigration debate which (btw) is not going to end on this forum or anywhere else because we ignorant old pragmatists clearly understand that before the principles and premises of Objectivism could be instilled culture wide [I means how's it worked for you so far? Kind of slow going, eh?] the nation as it is currently governed would collapse under the weight of unrestricted, "Ya'll Come!" Unrestricted migration works well when there is NO welfare state and laissez faire capitalism is the economic system, yes. But the REALITY of the matter is that the USA has a generous welfare state, and under the present circumstances it is economic and social suicide to have an open border policy. Too many of those who come here to avail themselves of the welfare state will NEVER democratically vote to eliminate or severely restrict said existing welfare state. When the plane is going down, one puts on his own oxygen mask before attempting to help others. The same principle applies to preventing unrestricted illegal and legal immigration UNTIL the welfare state is done away with. Do you see that happening any time soon? Call me pragmatic, xenophobic, an a-hole or any other excoriative term you like, but A remains A...even for pragmatists. It does NO good to shut the stall door AFTER the horse has escaped=REALITY. Go ahead and down vote. I don't care. Even most pragmatists just aren't into immediate self-immolation. Let me put it into the vernacular for you: We have more than enough 'home-grown' moochers without importing more.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent observation, something Progressives, both Democrat and Republican alike, seek to curtail ~Individual Rights~ Which is why Progressives, as a whole, Obama, Hillary, Hitler, Stalin and they're ilk all seek to take away our weapons, our ability to resist their tyranny.
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