The American Israel Public Affairs Lobby...

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Did you know that…

That one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)?

That it does not make contributions to election campaigns, but maintains on its Web site details of how every member of Congress voted on “AIPAC” issues and publishes a brochure on candidates who complied—or did not--that is scrutinized, according to the “Washington Post,” by thousands of potential campaign donors?

Since 1990, pro-Israeli interests have contributed $57 million to federal political candidates?

AIPAC lobbying for foreign aid from America to Israel procures about $3 billion a year, so that Israel in total has gotten more foreign aid since World War II than any other recipient (about $108 billion)?

That in 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign because he was taped boasting that he “met with [then Bush Secretary of State] Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about...”?

That in the same taped conversation, Steiner said he was "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration its choice of a Secretary of State and a head of the National Security Agency, and that AIPAC had placed "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs..."?

That in 2005, an AIPAC policy director, Steven Rosen, and an AIPAC senior Iran analyst, Keither Weissman, were fired by AIPAC because the FBI was investigating whether or not they passed classified U.S. information to the government of Israel?

That they were indicted, AIPAC agreed to pay the legal fees for Weissman's defense through appeal, if necessary, but charges were subsequently dropped?

That the same year the Justice Department arrested Lawrence Anthony Franklin, a U.S. Air Force Reserves colonel working in the Pentagon , and charged him with providing classified national defense information to Israel, at which point he described a luncheon meeting where he passed government secrets to AIPAC’s Rosen and Weissman, and was sentenced to 13 years in prison—but all charges against the two former AIPAC employees were dropped in 2009?

Approximately two-thirds of members of Congress attended AIPAC's 2011 policy conference and so did President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Reid, and Speaker of the House Boehner—and that attendance at the council by federal officials is second only to the State of the Union address?

That in a working paper, and then a book, University of Chicago Professor John Mearsheimer and Harvard University Kennedy School of Government Professor Stephen Walt wrote that: “AIPAC's success is due to its ability to reward legislators and congressional candidates who support its agenda, and to punish those who challenge it. ... AIPAC makes sure that its friends get strong financial support from the myriad pro-Israel [political action committees]. Those seen as hostile to Israel, on the other hand, can be sure that AIPAC will direct campaign contributions to their political opponents. ...

And continued: “The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has a stranglehold on the U.S. Congress. Open debate about U.S. policy towards Israel does not occur there, even though that policy has important consequences for the entire world.”

That when an essay based on the paper appeared, with all scholarly references, in the “London Review of Books,” the two scholars—one of whom holds a chair at the Kennedy School at Harvard and is academic dean, there—were labeled by prominent scholars and writers as “Crackpot” (Martin Peretz), “could have been written by the less intelligent members of Hamas” (Alan Dershowitz), “as scholarly as…McCarthy…and just as nutty” (Max Boot), “puts The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to shame (Josef Joffe), “dishonest so-called intellectuals…entitled to their stupidity” (NY Rep. Eliot Engel)…

That when the U.S. and European allies, plus the U.N. Atomic Energy Agency, reached an agreement with Iran to curtail its work on enrichment of uranium (-feared by Israel and many others to be preparatory to creating a nuclear weapon)-- and to open its scientific and technological facilities to international inspection—in exchange for lifting stringent economic embargoes on Iran—AIPAC immediately lobbied in Congress for legislation (Menendez-Kirk bill) that would continue and strengthen the sanctions against Iran—and kill the proposed agreement?

That AIPAC had prepared a massive campaign by members to lobby Senate and House members for the bill but suffered one of its very rare defeats when President Obama said in his State of the Union that the bill was not in “our national interests” and its Democratic supporters abandoned it?

That former and current members of the House and Senate have argued that AIPAC must be designated a lobby for a foreign government, so it can continue all its education and advocacy, but cannot directly or indirectly intervene in U.S. political campaigns?


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago
    One of the reasons I cannot stomach Ron Paul is his insane foreign policy, and the impression he gives of abandoning Israel. Not acceptable.

    The agreement you tout was bullshit. There's no way Iran is going to comply... except the same way Syria is complying with disposing of WMDs... superficially.

    Anyone who is as "nutty" as McCarthy is a prescient hero; McCarthy outed communists.

    One acronym for you: CAIR.

    I'd far prefer Jews influencing the WH policy than Moslems.

    This is just yet another antisemitic rant.

    Get it through your thick skull; the U.S. has said there will be an Israel. End of discussion. Whatever has to be done to preserve Israel is to be done, because we said that there will be an Israel, and our will is not to be thwarted by a pack of hateful Bedouins.

    Moslems are the enemy, Israel is a strategic ally in the Crusade.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? Market rates mean that a willing lender and a willing borrow in the market (not the government) will agree to a certain interest rate under certain terms - length of loan, collateral, etc.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    those countries with the highest levels of freedom also are the richest countries. It's not all about natural resources. Hong Kong is extremely wealthy. They have few natural resources. the facts are overwhelming, r
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then you were never American; there's no such thing as natural rights, only God-given rights, as referenced by the creators of your country.

    We've argued this before; There is no "rights" mechanism in nature.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Isn't economic freedom also a function of the wealth of a country? I wouldn't be surprised if they are 5th out of 15 in the middle east. They are no where near Venezuela which is ranked 175th or France which is ranked 70th or Egypt which is ranked 135th or Russia at 140th. The world average is 60 and Israel ranks 44th which is higher than average. http://www.heritage.org/index/country/un...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Five and a half days of brooding over what that asshat MikeMarotta said tends to put me in attack mode.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Last, first...

    You've said that you don't live in the United States. With your views, I'm not sure you can sincerely say you call any country "my country".

    You can be critical of other countries. But picking on Israel has additional complications, since A) it is the refuge of Jews persecuted around the world for centuries and B) (and more important) we said there will be an Israel. We didn't say there will be a France or Sweden.

    I await with impatience your thread bashing France or the other plethora of socialist nations who lobby the shit out of us and to whom we give bazillions of dollars.

    Nobody's suggested in recent years that Frenchmen are secretly controlling the world from the shadows, as is a common suggestion with regard to Jews, Zionists and Israelis. But this rhetoric critical of Israeli lobbying activities smacks of that same kind of nut-job conspiracy theory.
    Speaking of which, I wonder if WD is really Mel Gibson incognito?

    First, last...

    I guess they don't teach this anymore...

    The western world is largely right-handed because being left handed in Roman times was equated with being evil; the Church adopted this belief for some reason after it took over Rome. Apparently they were prescient of Hollywood. Anyway, in modern times, of course, being on the left is enough to make you evil. In Roman times, the cure for being sinister, or left handed, was to lop it off.

    Dexter = right handed. Sinister = left handed. That's where "sinister plots" comes into being.

    On the gripping hand, however...

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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You may be right about that I've just never seen that requirement, I learned something new. I'll be looking for it when I read Op-eds in the future.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes you can be critical. I have never seen anything saying they were a socialist country.
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  • Posted by EconomicFreedom 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >Once again EconomicFreedom has destroyed another post.

    No I haven't. I just don't play the game your wife does ("Walter Donway simply CAN'T be anti-Semitic! I mean . . . I mean . . . I've read his poetry! He helped found the Atlas Society!").

    Your wife iconstantly confuses her own subjective cognitive dissonance ("How could someone who declares himself an Objective and writes poetry also be anti-Semitic? It can't be!") with reality. In reality, great Nobel laureates in science and literature have been anti-Semites. Get over it.

    >His comments are not insightful,

    Sure they are! You're just to dimwitted to grasp the insights.

    >they are not designed to further intelligent conversation,

    What would you know about intelligent conversation?

    My purpose in this thread was to expose Donway's anti-Semitism by calling him out on it. He confirmed it by trying to defend it via linking to the WRMEA, which is anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. I also corrected your wife's simpleminded assumption that anti-Semitism requires the use of slurs. It does not.

    >they are not polite,

    They are as polite as need be when exposing anti-Semitism masquerading as objective scholarship.

    >and they are not really on point

    The point of Donway's post was to claim that AIPAC was an agent of a foreign government whose interests differ from those of the US. Nothing new was asserted. All of his talking points are old and were made by others — most of whom (such as the unsavory lot at the WRMEA) are de facto anti-Semites.

    >and he has no interest in Ayn Rand or Objectivism.

    Sure I do. I was involved with Objectivism long before you were; heard Miss Rand speak live at the Ford Hall Forum several times (have her autograph on my 1st edition, hardbound copy of Atlas Shrugged); went to her funeral (open casket) at the Frank E. Campbell Funeral Home in NYC; attended lectures by Peikoff, George Reisman, know Allan Blumenthal, etc., etc.

    Actually, it is YOU who bring nothing to the discussion, being an especially bland example of a philosophical "Yes Man."

    >Please leave.

    LOL! Can't handle the challenge, eh?

    I'll make a deal:

    I'll leave, and you go fuck yourself, OK?

    (That was polite, no?)
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  • Posted by EconomicFreedom 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >whether or not most of it is loans which are paid back-that was not what I found when I went googling

    On the contrary, that was all I found when I went Googling. Perhaps your Googling skills are not up to par. Or perhaps you're checking the sites that Donway likes to visit — such as the WRMEA — which are already anti-Israel.

    Obviously, if you're simply checking those sites, then you'll wind up with the same sort of misinformation you had when you declared on another thread that Darwinian evolution MUST be true since it's the only way to explain why there are no palm trees in Alaska.

    You were wrong then. You are wrong now.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    lol-what does left handed have to do with anything?
    Yes, I have a problem with socialist nations. But I understand who our allies are, including Israel. I only wanted for WD to be able to make an argument here and we would address it and discuss. I am critical of my damned country-why can't I be critical of other countries?
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