Own The Property, Own The Right

Posted by BradHarrington 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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A piece from May... Some much-needed clarification on just what we mean by "rights," in my opinion...

Brad Harrington
SOURCE URL: http://wyomingnews.com/articles/2015/05/01/opinion/guest_column/02column_05-01-15.txt#.VbBqDvlKXd4


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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 9 months ago
    Excellent article Brad, but to be complete, I'd suggest the inclusion of the effect of allowing government (on any level) owning property. Some form of guardianship for the public benefit of some property such as that mentioned in the Constitution is permissible on that level--but ownership, NO.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
      Hi Zenphamy:

      Yeah, well, remember, I'm trying to stuff treatises on philosophy into a mere 800 words. LOL

      It would be interesting to have a discussion on just what property a free-thinking, freedom-based society would consider as "necessary" to be "guarded" by the government. I'm not sure that concept makes any sense. If government is the guardian of property, that means they control it (unless you want to count elections every 2-6 years as a form of "control" by "the people," which doesn't qualify in my book.)

      And, if government controls it, they own it. I've got quite a few thoughts on these topics I've developed over the years. If you have an interest in discussion regarding them, just holler!!

      Take Care,
      Brad
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 9 months ago
        Yeah, I remembered after hitting replay that you were writing a column. But you did an outstanding job. I'm impressed with this one.

        Well, the Constitution gave them their capitol, then they filled it up with 'people.' Guess that won't always work. I think the idea I was trying to convey was that it truly was the populations property, and I'm thinking mainly of the West. I may be off base here, but my understanding of guardianship is that it has some pretty stringent and transparency requirements. The only other way is for them to rent or lease property for their limited functions.

        This might be a good post.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
          Hi Zenphamy:

          Thanks for the thanks. And, I would be the fist to admit that I ain't no expert on property from the legal/definitional/adjudicational aspect. I prefer to stick to the overall principles; I've never been much of a lawyer type. LOL

          Take Care,
          Brad
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  • Posted by tkstone 8 years, 9 months ago
    Enjoyed the article Brad. Particularly enjoyed the comment that tried to claim that a business license is a government service! (You gotta laugh or you will cry) Logic is a hard thing to refute. Consistency is hard to mainain though. Good points.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
      Hi Tkstone:

      Yeah, I thought that was pretty hilarious too. Sometimes I read what people write and I just think to myself: WHERE is your brain??? LOL

      That would be our local socialist/communist, Steen Goddick. I've learned not to waste my time with him; he has no interest in rational discussion and does not hold reason as the final arbiter in an argument.

      Thanks for the thumbs up!!! Good to know I'm not the only sane person awash in a sea full of gored skulls...

      Take Care,
      Brad
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago
    There are some who contend that the "ownership" itself is not ownership as it was in the past, and that this precludes the "owner" from the protection afforded to a property "owner".
    Real estate is not private property.
    I definitely agree with your point, but it may be that the process of ownership has been perverted.
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    • Posted by jetgraphics 8 years, 9 months ago
      All land is NOT real estate.
      ..................
      LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the estate in land is another thing, for an estate in land is a time in land or land for a time.
      - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877
      .................

      Estate in land is "another thing". Estate is time in land or land for a time. Remember that.

      ................
      "OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted."
      - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
      ................

      Ownership is qualified (not absolute) when it is shared, or time is limited, or use is restricted.

      Remember, estate is land for a time.

      What is estate?

      ...................
      "ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein."
      Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

      "REAL ESTATE .... is synonymous with real property"
      Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1263

      "REAL PROPERTY ... A general term for lands, tenements, heriditaments; which on the death of the owner intestate, passes to his heir."
      Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218
      .......................
      Estate is interest in "real and personal property", which boils down to qualified ownership.

      What is NOT qualified ownership?
      .....................
      PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
      - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
      .....................

      Land and house that is absolutely owned is private property.
      Only private property ownership is constitutionally protected.
      . . .
      However, the goal of communism is the abolition of private property.
      From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
      https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...
      . . . .
      Since 1933, and the beginning of the STATE OF EMERGENCY (and the confiscation of all lawful money by Saint Roosevelt), Americans have surrendered their birthright to absolutely own, in exchange for the privilege to have qualified ownership of estate.

      PROPERTY TAX - An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county, on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a specified date.
      Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.1218

      Check your own state's constitution and statutes to verify that private property ownership is protected, whereas estate (however defined) is subject to restriction, regulation and taxation.
      . . . .
      Senate Report 93-549
      War and Emergency Powers Acts
      "A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."

      FREEDOMS ... ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
      Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.
      . . .
      Americans have lived under a two party perpetually indebted benevolent communist totalitarian police state dictatorship* using emergency rules for 82 years (2015) ... and still haven't a clue that private property was abolished -and- the constitutional government has been dead since 1933.

      We’re on the threshold of the final transition to the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

      KUDOS to the WORLD’S GREATEST PROPAGANDA MINISTRY.

      We love you, Big Brother !
      s/
      Winston Smith
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      • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
        Hi Jet:

        Damn, I think my head's gonna explode. LOL

        Thanks for all of that... I knew absolutely NONE of it. (big grin)

        Take Care,
        Brad
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        • Posted by jetgraphics 8 years, 9 months ago
          Before National Socialism (1933), Americans had "sacred" rights... you know . . . endowed by our CREATOR.
          . . .
          NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, privacy, and good reputation.
          - - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

          " PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
          - - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
          . . .
          What happened to our endowed rights to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?
          How far we have fallen !
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