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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 9 months ago
    The United States is either a nation, or it is not.
    When the Civil War began, the 13th Amendment
    had not yet been passed; the southern states ap-
    parently feared it would be. "What is freedom to a
    nation, but freedom to the individuals in it?"-(Har-
    riet Beecher Stowe).-- If the national government
    is going to give zero protection to the individual
    rights of the people in the states which make it
    up, it really isn't good for anything, and doesn't
    amount to much.
    ---The states had ratified the Constitution; they
    had, in so doing, ratified the process of amend-
    ment; now the Southern States wanted to pull
    out so that they wouldn't have to go by it, in the
    event of an anticipated change. Treason, in
    my book.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago
    OOOOO K! Move the Jefferson Memorial to Virgina where it and he can be appreciated; it was against Virgina law to sell or free slaves even if they were inherited, which was the case here. He taught them skills, gave them business to run and jobs to profit from. If they ran away he did not chase them. Aside from those things he gave America countless values to live by and to contemplate.
    As for washington dc? Let's rename it Gitmo and put a mile high barb wire fence around it!
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 9 months ago
    Let me toss out a question...

    Both of my grandfathers came over from the other side...one from Germany, the other from Wales, both prior to WW I. I think it's a fair observation to say that neither of the, hopped on a leaky old boat and crossed the Atlantic because things were going so well in the Old Country. (One settled in western Pennsylvania where he was a coal miner, living in company housing, buying everything at the company store, paid with company scrip...effectively, a slave himself.). My question is this: why do people who were never slaves themselves think that I, who have never owned a slave (neither I nor any of my progenitors) own them anything whatsoever? An even bigger question is why is THIS question never even asked in the hallowed halls of government?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 9 months ago
    I would keep Jefferson's statue, also the Washing-
    ton Monument; also the name of the nation's capi-
    tal (although if George Washington could see what
    is going on in it, he might very well want his name
    taken off of it himself). But I do not think the
    government should give official honor to Con-
    federate traitors who fought against this coun-
    try, sentimental attachments to the "Lost
    Cause" to the contrary notwithstanding.
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    • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 9 months ago
      That could be the subject of a whole 'nother thread, Belle.

      The United States was conceived as an alliance of several sovereign states, the 'national' government being responsible for interstate commerce, interstate communication and national defense. Everything else was the providence of the particular states. This was amply laid out in the enumerated powers clause. So when the Union gave itself authority over the inner workings of the southern states, it had in the view of the Confederacy, committed treason against the nation as defined by the Constitution. So it could be effectively argued that the Union were the traitors.
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