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  • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years ago
    A well-written counterpoint is below. This is submitted in the interest of keeping everyone well-informed of all the views - I'm not advocating for it. Well, I kind of am. Just not strongly.
    http://thefundamentalview.blogspot.com/2...

    My view:
    Central banks buy gold - that's it. Gold, Silver, Platinum, and Palladium all took a nose-dive on 12-15 April. If this Gold drop is due to a targeted short sell against it, why are all these other markets taking hits? The conspiracy theory suggests the other markets were also targeted with short sells, but the effect gives no advantage to a central bank! People invest in PM markets when they see traditional stocks and bonds returning losses. They get out when they see those markets improving. Couldn't this simply be a natural sell-off? If you look at the NASDAQ-100 index, it's had six months of positive growth. Its low point was 15 November - nearly exactly six months before the PM crash. I think this is just computer-driven selling. A trend held in place for six months...the algorithm said "trend confirmed" and cashed out of PM safety.

    Now, I think something unusual is going on in the Silver market. Supply and demand principle says when the price of something drops, it's because supply increased (or production costs dropped, but that's not in play here). The 1oz spot silver price dropped from 27.5 to 24.0 in one day. That's big, but not unusual for silver. If you look at a two-year chart, silver has had a couple of worse days. However, this event IS different. This writer went to the physical market during those past dips and was able to buy at $1-2 over spot, a very typical premium. I went to buy this time and found Silver had turned into Unobtainium by some unknown alchemy. PM stores are saying they are out of inventory. I do not believe them. The crash happened on Friday, and there was no metal to be found on Saturday. It appears to me the PM stores are simply refusing to sell their existing inventory at traditional markup because they would do so at a loss. A week later, Unobtainium turned back into Silver. However, those who are selling have increased their markup from a pre-crash $1-2 over spot to an astounding $6-9 over spot. Why don't the PM stores themselves to go the big-time bullion market to buy at this depressed price? Maybe they are? I think we will find out within a month. If you see physical PM dealers again selling at pre-crash spot prices, they have obtained new supply at lower cost. But remember how the US mint ran out of silver blanks to make Eagles earlier this year? If the price of silver could be explained by a flood of new supply, wouldn't the PM stores already have accessed it? Demand is high. Their premiums are a sign they can't get new supply quickly and are selling their current supply. During this entire Silver episode, I have seen absolutely NONE of this going on in the Gold market.
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    • Posted by 11 years ago
      I am not a fan of charting. (responding to your counter point article). I agree the momentum was going against gold, and the trend is your friend.
      There is no scientific evidence to support charting

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      • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years ago
        Yeah - whether charting works or not wasn't really the point of why I posted it. It was to give an opposing view - arguing that the drop wasn't some central bank conspiracy. But since you brought it up, let's talk about this. Does charting work? I think I will disagree with you in a qualified sense. I do think price+volume charting is basically giving you supply/demand information which IS useful. I'm not sold that charting is of value in predicting future HUMAN behavior in a market. However, the markets have almost ceased to be human-driven now. Everyone's running the same programs which run the same technical analysis algorithms, giving them the same buy and sell points. People therefore end up filing trade orders that bunch up around these points. It creates an almost self-fulfilling prophecy. The algorithm says there is no support for a commodity at price point X, so put in a sell order if it breaches that. Now we've got tens of thousands of sell orders ready to trip. Once it trips, the selloff is dramatic, and the computer algorithm looks like a genius. One might choose to ignore charting because they don't believe it's a predictor of future behavior. But when everyone else is using it, and we have the effect I just described, is this really a SAFE thing to do? I don't have to believe it it to understand it has power to harm me.
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        • Posted by 11 years ago
          good points. I'm sure you now more than I do about the market.
          that's not the double bottom, head and shoulders nonsense.
          ultimately the economy and the price of things is not set by short term reactions.
          We have a stock market totally disconnected from the economy- cleary manipulated by the Fed, and if a trader, one cannot this. I wish the goal were we were focusing on the real problem, not just the few and clever (not clever in any productive sense) making money at the rest of the producers' expense
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