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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since I think it unethical for a government to force those who never experience unemployment to pay for those that do experience unemployment by the force of government ran legal theft. I do not think it ethical for me to take such funds.

    I am not stating that to be the case for everyone. Each person must live as they see fit. For me taking funds which are taken by force from businesses and then distributed to others is no different than taking other moneys the government takes by force.

    If I can I will always avoid doing so.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know there's a lot of evil running the Candy Mountain express out there.
    I still need my SS monthly payments. Otherwise I'd have to give up maybe my car to the repo man.
    I'm too afraid of hell to shoot myself.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On average it takes one year to get on disability and a lawyer.that specializes. The automatic answer first time is No. Persevere and remember you paid the insurance premiums it's not welfare they owe it you as contractual obligation.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not wolves but parasites in sheep's clothing. the Soros, Lewis, Yoda and ACLU gang. I put a tie in from them to the same sex supreme court decision but they are also behind a lot of other such efforts posted in the NEW section or category.We've seen or read them here the one's who claim the right without out explanation to all our rights without exception.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 10 months ago
    My Viewpoint:

    It's taken about a century to dig the money pit of SocSec.

    It's going to take a generation or two to fill the hole so we might be able to climb out.

    Any change/solution should be implemented over at least a generation or a 'working lifetime' of at least 40 years or more.

    Phase out the current system gradually and implement its replacement in steps over that period.
    If it's supposed to be a Supplemental Retirement Safety Net, workers/employees should be 100% vested for every dollar in their accounts, and not the government.

    If it's a "retirement" benefit, the ownership and contributions should be fixed by contract with every individual, negotiable between themselves and their employer (which might be they, themselves!) as to what the contributions would be on their part or the employer's part.

    If it's related to life expectancy, which makes sense, 'retirement age' or 'eligibility age' should be adjusted for life expectancy every five or ten years.

    Individuals should be able to choose the age they want to retire at, and should take full responsibility for providing for their retirement expenses.

    In some sense, you could retire at any age, but your 'payments' (if government-managed...) would be proportional to how long you worked before retiring.

    Retire young => get less money... Just as if it were your own savings for retirement... which it should be.

    imnsho.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It has nothing to do with "secular". They have their own faith and their own religion. 1930s fascism was very popular with the progressives and still is, though they dare not call it that it now.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I let my unread email get too old.
    Could you please explain what you're saying a bit clearer for the Old Dino?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but it's still part of the total wage packet as is the nine percent for social security.the military used to pass out a corrected annual wage and benefits fact sheet with everything listed. Some items such as the annual expenditure for the serving member and the cost of for families (such as extra housing allowance,, medical, education for dependents. When I retired i found my 50% retirement pay based solely on base pay was more like 33 1/3 percent retirement. Which was fine it was up front and we planned for it. What I didn't plan for was the reduction or disappearance entirely of the promised retirement benefits.Nor the massive reduction in buying power that everyone suffered. Some inflation sure but nothing like the shellacking we all took and the insulting one percent annual increases in COLA that came nowhere near the real Cost of Living increases. the governments of the last three Presidents, especially the las two Presidents were venomous. I also watched the early retirement buy back program with shock. how they justified that took more than smoke and mirrors it took treachery. There has to be a huge reservoir of veterans and aware active duty types out there that truly do fit former Janet Neapolitanos characterization of us as the greatest danger this government faces. All of us still following the Constitution and none of would lift a finger to save this government. Constitution? What's that got to do with Obama and Bush before him and the Government Party? But back to reality I really don't see under the circumstances and in view of the lies and chicanery
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it's the system we are forced to live under and which we have paid for many times over. No one should be ashamed to get back what he can.
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  • Posted by gafisher 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Be aware that every employer pays for unemployment insurance; although it's administered by the government the first twenty six weeks are paid for by workers and employers; it's not welfare. (The so-called "extensions, of the other hand, are indeed welfare.) No worker should be ashamed to accept the insured portion of their unemployment benefits, any more than they would be ashamed to let health insurance pay for medical care or auto insurance pay for collision damage.
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  • Posted by gafisher 8 years, 10 months ago
    Social Security is very much a Ponzi scheme - it depends on an ever-increasing number of contributors to pay off the ever-increasing number of "investors" (to say nothing of those many whose votes were purchased by adding them into the payout system without having to pay in). Better nutrition and better medical care both contributed to the losses, as we're simply living longer. But the underlying problem is that the SS system is inherently socialist - none of the money paid into the SS coffers is permitted to earn interest, so (1) SS is nothing more than a big mattress and (2) money paid in can never keep up with inflation, so more and more people have to pay in to support each person taking out - the SSA will tell you itself that in 1940 there were 159 contributors for each beneficiary so, even if we figure a 50% operational cost, each worker had to contribute only about 1/80th of a single recipient's benefit. Today the worker to beneficiary ratio is less than three to one; if we figure the same operational cost percentage, each worker must pay about 2/3 of an average beneficiary's benefit check. With the baby boomers now well into SS, and the birth rate and incomes down, it's only a matter of time before each working person has one or more SS recipients riding on his or her back, and I promise you that will not continue - prepare to be "shrugged."

    Edited to add SSA ratio info: http://www.ssa.gov/history/ratios.html
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can google it and get a pretty good flavor from the websites. Don't get turned off if the fist one doesn't suit you, though. It means a lot of different things to different people. One book I read on the subject was "Your Money or Your Life" (Joe Doninguez and Vicky Robin). I certainly didn't buy in to the whole lifestyle (I like my "toys" too much) but it's an interesting perspective.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed! I believe that the current denizens in the White House have read Atlas Shrugged, are using it as a guidebook, and fully expect an executive order to be sub-titled 10-289.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember the Secular Progressives are nothing more than WWII fascist national socialists in multi-cultural drag.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember the Secular Progressives are nothing more than WWII fascist national socialists in multi-cultural drag. i doubt they would shrink at that possibility
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or have the elder generation die ahead of schedule. There is noting nice about the whole scheme. It's population control on a scale greater than Rachel Carson ever achieved.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes and no. It's true there is no money in the fund just I.O.U.s That started with LBJ.

    Social Security has to do with retirees not children of retirees. It used to assume it was for the destitute then became a program for everyone in a great vote buying scheme. Either way Grandpa and Grandma are just as affected by the left wing socialist progressives dollar devaluation scheme as any one else without the ability to continue working to make up the difference. The SP's plan is to impoverish the nation except of course for their own offshore accounts. Then of course there was the great population stabilization drive, another SP initiative so exactly why are you prosecuting Grandpa and Grandma unless it's a wish to see them die earlier?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No way I would have voted for Lyndon B for butcher Johnson. Fifty thousand of my generation died because of that fascist son of a a bitch. i'd piss on his grave if I knew where it was.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But a ponzi scheme with a purpose. Keep control of you and what you have. It's all about left wing fascist government controls citizens. nothing more nothing less.
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