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Previous comments...
being located in the actual gulch. . or we could talk about
whether we should use the metric system in the gulch ....
there are other subjects;;; yes!!! -- j
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It's hard to imagine the limit on all of societies ills to be discussed and the multitudes of personal decisions that all the humans on this planet make on a daily basis, or AR's Objectivist outlook and the Founder's individual rights outlook might even come up once in awhile.
You asked what I thought. That's it.
the gulch would be the generator house with the oath
over its door. . but I would never fault others for having
a church or bingo parlor or speak-easy or a saloon
where people could drink and meet and hook up or whatever.......
I am watching the prophecy of AS right now, at 5:24 a.m.,
and my purpose is identical to yours, here. . I just wish
that we had a wider audience who could see that we're
not negative vampires with anger for all who are a bit different!!! -- j
p.s. would it be a trigger for ignoring me if I put up a post
asking if Christians should be banned from the gulch?
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As to reaching others with the message of Objectivism, I maintain that we won't accomplish much just posting the headlines of the day or silliness of any current social/political hoo-hah. We have an amazing philosophy of individuality, personal achievement, and freedom to interest others in, with an exceptional way of thinking logically and rationally with intellectual honesty, to determine the real things of life vs the irrationality of statist, collectivist, rights destroyers, and religionist of the world.
Most of those that I've interacted with on this site are extremely tolerant of others' closely held personal beliefs, even though we think they're wrong, but some of us are strongly intolerant of proselytizing. As to your suggested post, go ahead; but I'm pretty confident that it won't be well received.
a church celebrating rationality and enlightenment with Ayn Rand
as the primary intellectual. . maybe the term church is too polluted
with thoughts of Jim Jones and David Koresh and -- oops -- reincarnation
to be used in the gulch. . how about celebratorium?
and the welcoming of Christians can be a very good idea,
if they are confident that they * can * take the oath, as I do --
because they set themselves apart that way. . the "tithe" is a
voluntary form of giving -- or should be -- after all. -- j
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Since animals and children are not capable of giving adult, advised consent, pedophelia and bestiality both should be criminal activities.
Just like if they legalized heroine tomorrow I would grab a needle and join in. They said the same thing about "allowing" mixed marriages and alcohol.
That is a specious argument without evidence. You must be a Christian.
That is not a specious argument, in fact if you honestly look at it. It has already been proven by your own words. Years ago mixed marriages were not allowed, then they were. Now gay marriage is being forced through but there is already instances of Polygamy being advanced. The TV show "Sister Wives" is a perfect example. While I am uncertain of the legitimacy of this story, here is a link about how bestiality is being advanced in similar methods to how gay relationships were advanced. http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/those-who-practice-bestiality-say-theyre-part-of-the-next-sexual-rights-movement-6334747
It really is only a matter of time.
I was speaking more of the absurd bestiality and pedophilia claim, obviously. You are making the claim that if (not that it would ever happen) pedophilia was legal that I and a majority of the citizens of the country would think it is OK. There is a huge chasm of difference between gay marriage and polygamy versus pedophilia and bestiality. If a gay marriage and polygamy are by choice and of mutual voluntary participation, there can be no objectivist/libertarian/randian argument against them. Pedophilia is a crime - it is an act of aggression. Even if the child has been brainwashed into thinking it is OK, that is also an aggressive act. Taking advantage of someone's innocence or lack of knowledge is also an act of aggression, or violence if you will. There can be no valid argument to allow it in society because there is a victim.
Bestiality is just.....well... stupid to even bring up.
As to pedophilia give it time.
But, even if it is real, they have a right to form a group of free association. As soon as any of them commit an actual act of pedophilia - then it is a crime.
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pain -- it's a thing, like the fentanyl she used to use,
which leaves you marginally able to enjoy life.
I know that you were being sarcastic, but the subject
warrants heavy caution, IMHO. -- j
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Rand didn't have much to say about children, and the treatment of children in the eyes of the law. The Gulch was small--small enough that the only children in it were those in typical families. I doubt Rand would have approved of polygamy, much less tried to write a comprehensive set of laws governing who takes responsibility for children.
In the Gulch the solution was easy: nobody got in who was irresponsible toward children. (One family came in precisely because they found the Gulch the best possible place to raise two self-confident boys.) But Galt would never have opened his community up to the kind of shenanigans we see today.
Polygamy, furthermore, diminishes the worth of the gender represented in plurality.It also threatens civil war. Face it: the most common form of polygamy you'll ever see is polygyny--note the extra y and n. Polygamy means "many spouses." Polygyny specifically means "one husband, many wives." (In contrast, polyandry means "one wife, many husbands.") What happens when one man may legally marry more than one women? That leaves certain other men out. Men get so desperate to redress the left-out state that they will kill to do it. You might as well host mortal gladiatorial combats to thin out the ranks of men, so the men left over could enjoy the society of more than one woman each.
Even Nathaniel Branden did not plump for polygyny or polygamy. He offered serial monogamy--one-on-one at any given time.
It could be, like dogs, it is easier to have two or more than one because they entertain each other. Now, before you feminists get your amygdalas in knots, I am joking. I say this because it seems some people go out of their way to misunderstand.
Can you imagine the girl feuding you would have to get in the middle of an referee all the time. It would be like having twin teenage girls that always wanted to use each others clothing but did not want the other using there clothing. only it would not end after a few years of mediating the infighting. I can think of no greater hell on this earth.
I say this both with a bit of jest and fun, but also with some seriousness. I would want to be at work all the time.
If he spent one day with each of them it would be 3.27 years before he would spend time with the first one again.
There are some great relationships.
and sometimes I miss her. . good woman, just the wrong woman. -- j
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My reply was: "GOOD! I could use a wife-or-two!"
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http://www.ktvq.com/story/29447007/lockw...
Shearing lessons NOT included.
and she was a wonderful herd dog. . good show dog,
also -- her crouch-crawl was just perfect!!! -- j
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a frog, once. . talk about eager!!! -- j
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hard to keep from cutting the flesh!!! -- j
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All this gay marriage thing is, is a jobs program for attorneys. Homosexuals have more interpersonal problems, spats and breakups that do hetros. The divorces are going to be ugly, expensive and potentially violent.