is polygamy next?

Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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what do you think of multiple wives / husbands??? -- j
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
    I think you guys are trying to carry this topic way too far. Why would any of you be concerned about what other people do with their relationships or care one way or the other? You are all supposedly Objectivist. Start acting like it or check your premises.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      well, Zen, we could discuss the possibility of a church

      being located in the actual gulch. . or we could talk about

      whether we should use the metric system in the gulch ....

      there are other subjects;;; yes!!! -- j

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      • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
        Well, that's one idea. Then you could look and sound like a group of old women gossiping and tsking about their neighbors activities at your Gulch church. And of course you could talk about all the other possibilities of human interaction that you've labeled bad, in your eyes, and what ought to be done about it like prohibiting alcohol and sex during the same 24 hour period because that leads to single motherhood or horror of horror, abortion. And of course there's obese women in yoga pants, I mean there ought to be a law.

        It's hard to imagine the limit on all of societies ills to be discussed and the multitudes of personal decisions that all the humans on this planet make on a daily basis, or AR's Objectivist outlook and the Founder's individual rights outlook might even come up once in awhile.

        You asked what I thought. That's it.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
          Thank You, Downvoter Zen!!! . for me, the church in

          the gulch would be the generator house with the oath

          over its door. . but I would never fault others for having

          a church or bingo parlor or speak-easy or a saloon

          where people could drink and meet and hook up or whatever.......

          I am watching the prophecy of AS right now, at 5:24 a.m.,

          and my purpose is identical to yours, here. . I just wish

          that we had a wider audience who could see that we're

          not negative vampires with anger for all who are a bit different!!! -- j

          p.s. would it be a trigger for ignoring me if I put up a post

          asking if Christians should be banned from the gulch?

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          • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
            A church of any sort implies faith in something. Objectivist don't accept that faith is in any way healthy for the human mind. I don't think anyone wishing to call anyplace or build a church otherwise known as a 'place of worship' wouldn't fit in a gulch.

            As to reaching others with the message of Objectivism, I maintain that we won't accomplish much just posting the headlines of the day or silliness of any current social/political hoo-hah. We have an amazing philosophy of individuality, personal achievement, and freedom to interest others in, with an exceptional way of thinking logically and rationally with intellectual honesty, to determine the real things of life vs the irrationality of statist, collectivist, rights destroyers, and religionist of the world.

            Most of those that I've interacted with on this site are extremely tolerant of others' closely held personal beliefs, even though we think they're wrong, but some of us are strongly intolerant of proselytizing. As to your suggested post, go ahead; but I'm pretty confident that it won't be well received.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
              it's very interesting, sir, that "we" here cannot envision

              a church celebrating rationality and enlightenment with Ayn Rand

              as the primary intellectual. . maybe the term church is too polluted

              with thoughts of Jim Jones and David Koresh and -- oops -- reincarnation

              to be used in the gulch. . how about celebratorium?

              and the welcoming of Christians can be a very good idea,

              if they are confident that they * can * take the oath, as I do --

              because they set themselves apart that way. . the "tithe" is a

              voluntary form of giving -- or should be -- after all. -- j

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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago
    The real issue is not the marriage contract, religious or civil, but sexual relations. The governing rule should be that no sexual relationship is lawful if all parties involved aren't consenting adult humans. Multiple forms of out of the ordinary marital arrangements, such as polygyny, polyandry, communal marital "families" with both multiple male and female participants, and even adult incest should be legal. No tax advantage should result from any marital arrangement.

    Since animals and children are not capable of giving adult, advised consent, pedophelia and bestiality both should be criminal activities.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 4 months ago
    Polygamy, Bestiality and Legalized Pedophilia it is only a matter of time.
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    • Posted by KCLiberty 9 years, 4 months ago
      Right.....

      Just like if they legalized heroine tomorrow I would grab a needle and join in. They said the same thing about "allowing" mixed marriages and alcohol.

      That is a specious argument without evidence. You must be a Christian.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 4 months ago
        I am a Christian.

        That is not a specious argument, in fact if you honestly look at it. It has already been proven by your own words. Years ago mixed marriages were not allowed, then they were. Now gay marriage is being forced through but there is already instances of Polygamy being advanced. The TV show "Sister Wives" is a perfect example. While I am uncertain of the legitimacy of this story, here is a link about how bestiality is being advanced in similar methods to how gay relationships were advanced. http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/those-who-practice-bestiality-say-theyre-part-of-the-next-sexual-rights-movement-6334747

        It really is only a matter of time.
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        • Posted by KCLiberty 9 years, 4 months ago
          You have proven nothing. Yes, polygamy is making a comeback, and any true Gulcher should be fine with that.

          I was speaking more of the absurd bestiality and pedophilia claim, obviously. You are making the claim that if (not that it would ever happen) pedophilia was legal that I and a majority of the citizens of the country would think it is OK. There is a huge chasm of difference between gay marriage and polygamy versus pedophilia and bestiality. If a gay marriage and polygamy are by choice and of mutual voluntary participation, there can be no objectivist/libertarian/randian argument against them. Pedophilia is a crime - it is an act of aggression. Even if the child has been brainwashed into thinking it is OK, that is also an aggressive act. Taking advantage of someone's innocence or lack of knowledge is also an act of aggression, or violence if you will. There can be no valid argument to allow it in society because there is a victim.

          Bestiality is just.....well... stupid to even bring up.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        my wife is on morphine pills for lower back and arthritis

        pain -- it's a thing, like the fentanyl she used to use,

        which leaves you marginally able to enjoy life.

        I know that you were being sarcastic, but the subject

        warrants heavy caution, IMHO. -- j

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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 4 months ago
    Polygamy, or whatever else, must be the "business" of one who speaks for the children.

    Rand didn't have much to say about children, and the treatment of children in the eyes of the law. The Gulch was small--small enough that the only children in it were those in typical families. I doubt Rand would have approved of polygamy, much less tried to write a comprehensive set of laws governing who takes responsibility for children.

    In the Gulch the solution was easy: nobody got in who was irresponsible toward children. (One family came in precisely because they found the Gulch the best possible place to raise two self-confident boys.) But Galt would never have opened his community up to the kind of shenanigans we see today.

    Polygamy, furthermore, diminishes the worth of the gender represented in plurality.It also threatens civil war. Face it: the most common form of polygamy you'll ever see is polygyny--note the extra y and n. Polygamy means "many spouses." Polygyny specifically means "one husband, many wives." (In contrast, polyandry means "one wife, many husbands.") What happens when one man may legally marry more than one women? That leaves certain other men out. Men get so desperate to redress the left-out state that they will kill to do it. You might as well host mortal gladiatorial combats to thin out the ranks of men, so the men left over could enjoy the society of more than one woman each.

    Even Nathaniel Branden did not plump for polygyny or polygamy. He offered serial monogamy--one-on-one at any given time.
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  • Posted by Petri 9 years, 4 months ago
    Best insight here: "...it seems some people go out of their way to misunderstand. " Thanks, Esceptico. Good reminder for when the social media starts moving through multiple levels of irrationality. As far as the question goes, it seems inevitable and will give the liberals another thing to have parades about.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 4 months ago
    Relationships should not be a government issue, but between the consenting adults. Therefore, I am not clear if the question is vis-a-vis government or simply what, absent government, what do I think of it. If the latter, it is none of my business so long there is an absence of force or fraud.

    It could be, like dogs, it is easier to have two or more than one because they entertain each other. Now, before you feminists get your amygdalas in knots, I am joking. I say this because it seems some people go out of their way to misunderstand.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 4 months ago
      I will never understand why anyone would want more than one woman. One gives you everything you need and most of what you want with less than 1/3 the work that two would be.

      Can you imagine the girl feuding you would have to get in the middle of an referee all the time. It would be like having twin teenage girls that always wanted to use each others clothing but did not want the other using there clothing. only it would not end after a few years of mediating the infighting. I can think of no greater hell on this earth.

      I say this both with a bit of jest and fun, but also with some seriousness. I would want to be at work all the time.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 4 months ago
        Maybe the secret is to buy one and rent the others.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
          Many of the arrangements were political in nature as families, tribal units, and nations sought to gain an alliance or as a result of war became part of the winning side. The pick of the litter became waves or concubines, the pick of the male line became hostages. Or some such variation. In some system s they were married off to key leaders of the dude or dudette in charge. There was always something extra thrown in horses, weapons, gold or troops and of course land. Think of it as historical manifest destiny. Whether they got it on or not was measured by the number of sons produced and to some extent daughters who could be married off for some gain. As far ss the rest of goes ''too much information' or nobody's business' except hollywood fantasy and FMSM led by supermarket tabloids.
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  • Posted by slfisher 9 years, 4 months ago
    I don't have a problem in principle with multiple wives and husbands. I do object to situations where 16-year-old girls are being forced to marry guys older than their grandfather.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    i fail to see the problem of some people wanting to be part of a group that has no problem with each of the others having sex with the same person when ever they want. i see no problem with some who chose to have sex with the same sex as they are. The problem i do see is that the g o v e r n m e n t wants control over ALL OF US and therefore the government will do anything and everything it can to accommodate as many as possible of trying to be all things to one and all. just like wanting the government to leave us alone in business they have to leave us alone in out private lives. polygamy doesn't exist today as the mormons just live together as a group and only one couple is married.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Probably correct and bestiality is next....but you have to be a masochist to want more than one wife!

    All this gay marriage thing is, is a jobs program for attorneys. Homosexuals have more interpersonal problems, spats and breakups that do hetros. The divorces are going to be ugly, expensive and potentially violent.
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    Posted by jtrikakis 9 years, 4 months ago
    Funny, such a thing is all over the Old Testament. Trouble was God allowed, but never blessed it. The same for our same sex group today. Go ahead, enjoy your man made laws while you can.
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