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Lets face it though,. if there is no force or fraud involved.. Then its really not anyone else's business..
each night. . nearly went broke!!! -- j
p.s. I drove around with my windows down, between.
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probably meant sarcasm. . like the beach cartoon with
the interlocked human feet -- "damn sand gets into everything!" -- j
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I can imagine situations where it would be financially beneficial to all. We make too big a deal out of sex.
The government should not be involved in the institution of marriage.
That would be Section one
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text
The part used by the Supreme Court in one of the cites.
The chain led from rights granted by citizens to the State government to state government to oversight procedure only in those areas required by the Constitution.
Now as to the validity of the 14th Amendment. In common with the 16th Amendment on Income tax there was and is a question on validity. There was and is some complaints filed way back when.
Since then it's been sour grapes and hot air with no action by anyone to repeal or abrogate.
In other words you talk to the talk but are you wiling to walk the walk along and that question includes Mr. Scott and Mr Dilorenzo. Show me a valid action that is not just some scam to separate money from the gullible cherry pickers.?
I wrote a poem about that exact subject posted previously.
Ode to Prince Albert of Bore
Put it to rhyme
One line at a time
The election rout
Was never in doubt
Two centuries three decades
Have passed in a flash
There's been enough time
To cry, moan and whine.
You could have amended
But couldn't be tempted
Electoral still wins
Despite tears and whims
No matter the issue
It flew by and missed you
With never a question.
What need of elections?
The old constitution?
There's a new substitution
They'll tell us what's right
Three knocks in the night
Took your couch then your house,
For some mooching louse.
All that's left from the past
Is your couch potato ass.
Also applies to the 14th and 16th Amendments
I think i'll rededicate this to the Couch Potato Party who helped gave us a one party system of government
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If you wish to marry a goat, marry a goat, I just really don’t care if you sleep with a goat as long as you keep your sex life to yourself. Sleep with two goat for all that I care, it’s not my business. I don’t want to know how you prefer goats or wish to change to a goat in the future when medicine can successfully change your species. This is a personal decision and I do not wish to be involved nor do I wish to pay for your species change operation.
I personally don’t believe that marriage between two people of the same sex conforms to natural law, homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end, no way to self-perpetuate. This in itself is a reason why to teach your children that homosexuality is not normal and should be avoided. I have a personal interest in my children living happy healthy lives to perpetuate my genes.
The reason why I say this is because I live in California where the government has decided that I cannot effectively raise my children in a way that I see is appropriate. The California government has taught my children that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle without repercussions. Children going through adolescence are vulnerable at this age and the California government allows the Gay Strait Alliance to have a chapter at every school where they teach my children about the different types of homosexuality and then asks what type they think they are, all without my acceptance nor approval.
The major issue I have with a gay thing today is that it’s not okay to disapprove of their lifestyle. Why should they care what I think as long as they are happy, just leave me and my family alone.
P.S. The TV network are being turned off each and every time a person’s sexuality is disclosed in an inappropriate situation.
Some of our most prolific producers in the world may have been homosexual - such as Leonardo Da Vinci (perhaps at the top of the prolific genius list).
My guess is a society tolerant of all sexual variations will far outperform the only STRAIGHT and narrow society - benefiting from all types of additional art and design.
So if "natural law" is defined as "law" leading to a superior society, then a society allowing, supporting, and treating homosexuals and other sexual orientations as "full" members would be the society conforming to Natural Law.
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Otherwise I agree with you.
Jan
Jan
(Of course, the people who want to gestate can continue to do so - and it is theoretically possible for a male to carry a fetus too.)
Did you ask that because of my enthusiasm for the development of External Gestational Devices or because I included the possibility of a man becoming pregnant?
Jan
I had frankly thought that we would see this happening in reality by 2015...perhaps it was more of an anomaly than I realized.
Jan
(We could even get those Thorium reactors, Thoritsu!)
Jan
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Jan
Communication begins with ideas naturally processed in the mind. The delivery methods may be aided significantly by tools such as this forum, but the communication itself is natural. The same with the Engine of the World: the only difference between the medieval marketplace and the marketplace of today (aside from the reach of government of course) is that of the aids afforded to those who peddle their wares.
In my mind there is a distinct difference between aids to a natural process and a wholly new process as she is suggesting.
Even hetero couple will begin choosing the chromosomes that will go into baby. If Dad has perfect pitch but Mom cannot carry a tune in a bucket, why not make sure that baby can sing? Less trivially: if one member of the family has a hereditary disease, make sure that does not carry over.
Once we get to the point that cloning itself works better, people will be able to combine chromosome sets. And I think that SF goes too far in predicting degradation of a species via absolute cloning. Remember - identical twins are clones. They are definitely different individuals with distinct personalities and not just robotic copies of each other.
Jan
I referenced it because of the gene selection their society was doing. Which was why Ethan Hawke's character had to do what he did to achieve his goals.
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If there is something particular, please PM me: I will be glad to help.
Jan
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Jan
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I like the FSM afterlife Q&A on this subject. "In heaven there are beer volcanoes and hookers. What about gay people? Do they have hookers too? Why yes, of course, but they are invisible to the straight people"
In so far as kids are concerned, there are a lot to adopt, or artificially inseminate, or wait until Jan's suggestion becomes technically possible.
Common law is real tricky. I some states living together for six months and one day establishes the rights of a wife or husband as if married. Many couples, especially the elderly gain higher tax deductions by not marrying, in some cases divorcing Each maintain separate addresses and legal documents. It's not just gays that are affected.
As to Common law another urban legend bites the dust. The period can be as little as one day in Texas, has to do more with intent and presence to the public than a time limit and Common Law was banned in California in 1895 though they will uphold such if from another jurisdiction.
Now I have to rewrite the whole section in view of two other laws - implied infidelity and implied polygamy and federal law on the subject as it takes place on federal property where California has no jurisdiction (I hope).
Thanks for the assist. it's one of the sections that I hadn't fact checked yet.
Jan
wife, until it became obvious that the air force would not
accept our living together, unmarried. . we found a justice
of the peace. . complicated things, especially when we
decided to split up, 15 years later!!! -- j
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I have lived next door to a polygamist wife (well not married, but in spirit) and she was nice, when her husband was around he was nice. They were good neighbors and did not attempt to push their ways on me. I had no problem with them.
I would suspect that not all are like these people. Each of this guys wives had a separate house. Some wives worked outside the home and some watched the kids during the day. This particular "Marriage" was not a welfare case and worked with society well. But many are highly dependent on welfare and take advantage of the system.
The problems that are encountered with Polygamy are not directly tied to the polygamy but more so to welfare and those groups which exclude themselves from society and live apart with a desire to force there values on younger generations rather they want them or not.
I have no problem with polygamy but I do have a problem with people who wish to force their values on me or others. I also have a problem with those that take advantage of, or plan to use welfare. I have not experienced a polygamist that did these things, but most of the articles you read in the press deal with polygamist that do one or both of these.
Polygamy works, and has done so for thousands of years. Now, do not ask me "How?" I have known a number of polygamous families (Hey, I live in CA), but they remained stable for a decade or less. (Slightly OT: I can only recall one 'open marriage' that has remained stable - and that one has done so for 40 years.) Our American society does not provide good roles for polygamy.
Now, on the side of monogamy: You can generally tell a lot about the sexual arrangement of a species by looking at sexual dimorphism. Amongst the early hominids, the males were twice the size of the females (as is true of gorillas), but as you get closer to the modern human line, dimorphism decreases until we get to the present point. To some extent, we seem to actually be evolving towards monogamy.
Our current human dimorphism is that men are about 10-20% stronger than women of the same weight, and about 30% stronger overall (per Wiki Sexual Dimorphism). But dimorphism is becoming functionally less in modern times. During the Victorian era, it was not 'feminine' to exercise; now it is sexy to be 'buff'. I can tell you, from personal experience, that I am physically stronger than an average male white-collar office worker (even one who is almost 7 feet tall!). Once I beat them arm-wrestling (for example), however, they go out and buy a set of weights; two years later they are Much stronger than I am.
I agree with the comments on this thread that indicate that an individuals personal life is not anyone else's business as long as it is consensual or a goat.
Jan
(But I am sure, a very nice goat...)
K, not sharing db :)
As long as we agree that it is none of our business, then whether or not that particular threesome ultimately agrees with Pisaturo or not is up to them, not up to me.
Jan
Avg man today is 195 lbs. Average woman is 166 lbs. That would put the average strength delta at 31%-47%, depending on the 10-20% ratio. BTW in 1960 the average man was 166 lbs and the average woman was 140 lbs. I wonder how the strength to weight ratios vary from 1960 to now.
I would suspect that we are looking at a multiple chain of events: better childhood nutrition leading to larger body size overall; a shift away from farm jobs to white collar jobs leading to physically weak office workers; the low-fat program resulting in obesity and diabetes; the athletic fad amongst affluent people somewhat reversing the effect of the initial shift away from manual labor and farm jobs.
It would be an interesting study...or probably, book.
Jan
Jan, amused
to go to physical therapy for my emphysema. . then, inside,
I walked a total of 2 miles (per my Omron pedometer)!!! -- j
p.s. my passenger has a bad right hip joint and it was raining hard.
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Jan
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Shhhh.
Jan
that you are talking about a particular teacher, and
there are several on the web here who carry that
moniker ... do you want to say ... Kuroda, Tanaka,
Nishio, Kagawa ... ?] -- j
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Jan
spot for awhile" might have referred to a teacher, or to a
teacher's familiar name;;; if you are talking about your
instructor, I understand -- sensei. . but if you are using
Sensei for, say, Sensei Kuroda, a teacher in a web
video which I found, then I am curious if there is a
video of him on the web ... and the names I found
are Kuroda, Tanaka, Nishio and Kagawa. . make any
sense, now??? -- j
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Sensei George Kirby indeed has a first name, and can be found here: http://www.budoshin.com/
He was by profession a High School teacher, now retired; he innovated the first video courses in Jujitsu.
Jan
It's also highly doubtful from a legal standpoint that the laws governing age of consent can stand either, opening the door to legalized pedarasty. Pandora's box has been opened.
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Not allowing a "type" of citizen to enter a contract of free association is unethical and unconstitutional.
Let's see who was in government during those years? Islamics, Hindus, Jews - maybe a few. Why it was Christians. How about that? While and and 230 some years of the Couch Potato Party used throw away lines and did nothing. Talking the Talk is not walking the walk Try again.
You might be interested to note, but one of the key items in the communist playbook for destroying America is the promotion of gay marriage and the overthrow of religion of all kinds.
Point two the whole thing benefits the lawyers and not much more other than a good deal of charity work one of which are the religious professonals themselves.
Point Three The entire welfare system is religious in nature and based on the brothers keeper admonition. It's a direct establishment of the trappings of a government religion or church.
Better they stuck to their job and quit going so far afield.
Point. If their are still children starving in the country why is the government stealing their food and shipping it overseas instead of to food banks?
taxes first, and estimate how much goes for dollars being
redistributed to others -- maybe 75 percent? -- j
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Oooh, I just had another thought! We can eliminate death taxes ourselves. Simply extend a polygamous marriage by adding younger generations to the union so that when the older generation dies off the assets remain in the original marriage just with new survivors. Wow, I think this might catch on. OK, I thunk it up. I get dibs on naming it and any potential residuals. Your welcome.
I have read about it but can't remember where....... -- j
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Equally...I can't see a 'Real Man' (not today's emasculated sissy man) sharing one women unless he really doesn't care for her. I am sure the sex nazi's will try but I can't see it going far. What ever happened to nature, the way things are designed. Everyone ignores reality and decides to just make it up as they go...just like the creatures in government.
of those "creatures in government." -- j
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However, if the family does well and becomes well off, then your theory is substantiated by the fact that then the younger brother generally splits off to get his very own wife. So this is a purely economic decision that allows a family to survive even under the most difficult conditions.
However, many cultures exhibited wife-sharing with high status visitors. These were probably not sissy-man cultures...
Jan
Jan
A rapid look at the internet did not give me any such studies. Hmmmm. Thanks for the new topic for me to examine.
Jan
integrated mind and body with individuality, what is it
when I see myself as a person trapped in a body which
is constantly changing and limiting my life? . tricameral? -- j
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Me is the brain inside the body of myself made whole by the I of the mind. It would seem that there are 3 parts to us, 3 parts necessary to complete a 'Conscious Human Being. That's why I write in my book that the rulers posses only a body and a brain (although the brain part is debatable, LOL) Therefore are only 'Humanoid' at best.
Jan
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--Alice in Wonderland Through The Looking-Glass -- Lewis Carroll.
My husband says that the guy is too busy peeing on the bushes...😄
with all the best features -- loves shoes, handbags and
bling. . super in the sack. . requires automatic transmission,
though. . great deal !!! -- j
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online sources -- it works!!! -- j
p.s. we drove to Charlotte for one and Atlanta for
the other, cash in hand. . both were great deals,
as it turns out. . [we're in knoxville.]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw&index=4&list=PL1EC5A06673C6F6C5
I doubt it will ever be common, because for most of us, living with multiple adults causes more stress than it avoids. I've tried it and wouldn't do it again.
I believe the abuse situations that most people in the West associate with polygamy (both because of that cult a few years ago and because of Islam) would be better prevented with legal plural marriage, because people who think their very living arrangement is illegal don't dare go to police for any reason.
Indeed the same argument can also be (correctly) made against criminalization of just about anything that was legal to do 100 years ago.
Traditional marriage was one of the last real American traditions outline in the bible. The left is turning us into a bunch of sinners!!!!!
Next comes removing the American flag and that will be a sad day!!!!
I have no problem removing the American flag. Mine is upside down to show distress. It is now a symbol of genocide, empire, and tyranny - not freedom or a republic.
Bingo you got that one right.
which we used to have, which I wish were still here. -- j
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