is polygamy next?

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what do you think of multiple wives / husbands??? -- j
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    Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
    Consent is consent. Whatever works for people. Polygamy should not be illegal.

    I can imagine situations where it would be financially beneficial to all. We make too big a deal out of sex.

    The government should not be involved in the institution of marriage.
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    • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 10 months ago
      And, where in the Constitution does it state the government has anything to do with marriage?
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        Here we go again? RightsGranted. The citizens gave that right to the states. The states used it to entangle the concept with a ton of legal requirements. That part came under the purview of the federal government using primarily Article IV of the Constitution Full Faith and Credit to laws of the states by other states. There was also a mention of the 14th Amendment

        That would be Section one

        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text

        The part used by the Supreme Court in one of the cites.

        The chain led from rights granted by citizens to the State government to state government to oversight procedure only in those areas required by the Constitution.

        Now as to the validity of the 14th Amendment. In common with the 16th Amendment on Income tax there was and is a question on validity. There was and is some complaints filed way back when.

        Since then it's been sour grapes and hot air with no action by anyone to repeal or abrogate.

        In other words you talk to the talk but are you wiling to walk the walk along and that question includes Mr. Scott and Mr Dilorenzo. Show me a valid action that is not just some scam to separate money from the gullible cherry pickers.?

        I wrote a poem about that exact subject posted previously.

        Ode to Prince Albert of Bore

        Put it to rhyme

        One line at a time

        The election rout

        Was never in doubt

        Two centuries three decades

        Have passed in a flash

        There's been enough time

        To cry, moan and whine.

        You could have amended

        But couldn't be tempted

        Electoral still wins

        Despite tears and whims

        No matter the issue

        It flew by and missed you

        With never a question.

        What need of elections?

        The old constitution?

        There's a new substitution

        They'll tell us what's right

        Three knocks in the night

        Took your couch then your house,

        For some mooching louse.

        All that's left from the past

        Is your couch potato ass.

        Also applies to the 14th and 16th Amendments

        I think i'll rededicate this to the Couch Potato Party who helped gave us a one party system of government
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  • Posted by Mitch 8 years, 10 months ago
    Absolutely… Ether the government maintains the status quo or simply gets out of the business altogether. Who the hell do they think they are anyways?

    If you wish to marry a goat, marry a goat, I just really don’t care if you sleep with a goat as long as you keep your sex life to yourself. Sleep with two goat for all that I care, it’s not my business. I don’t want to know how you prefer goats or wish to change to a goat in the future when medicine can successfully change your species. This is a personal decision and I do not wish to be involved nor do I wish to pay for your species change operation.

    I personally don’t believe that marriage between two people of the same sex conforms to natural law, homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end, no way to self-perpetuate. This in itself is a reason why to teach your children that homosexuality is not normal and should be avoided. I have a personal interest in my children living happy healthy lives to perpetuate my genes.

    The reason why I say this is because I live in California where the government has decided that I cannot effectively raise my children in a way that I see is appropriate. The California government has taught my children that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle without repercussions. Children going through adolescence are vulnerable at this age and the California government allows the Gay Strait Alliance to have a chapter at every school where they teach my children about the different types of homosexuality and then asks what type they think they are, all without my acceptance nor approval.

    The major issue I have with a gay thing today is that it’s not okay to disapprove of their lifestyle. Why should they care what I think as long as they are happy, just leave me and my family alone.

    P.S. The TV network are being turned off each and every time a person’s sexuality is disclosed in an inappropriate situation.
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    • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 10 months ago
      Thinking that sexual orientation is a evolutionary dead-end is way too simplistic. You are extrapolating and individuals personal actions to and entire culture/society.
      Some of our most prolific producers in the world may have been homosexual - such as Leonardo Da Vinci (perhaps at the top of the prolific genius list).
      My guess is a society tolerant of all sexual variations will far outperform the only STRAIGHT and narrow society - benefiting from all types of additional art and design.

      So if "natural law" is defined as "law" leading to a superior society, then a society allowing, supporting, and treating homosexuals and other sexual orientations as "full" members would be the society conforming to Natural Law.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
      We are close - maybe a decade - to being able to clone effectively from somatic cells. In the future, gay couples will almost certainly be able to procreate.

      Otherwise I agree with you.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago
        But that's not a natural process - it's an artificial one. I hardly think that qualifies.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
          I am all for artificial processes, blarman. I look forward to the day when there are Gestational Incubators so that no one has to carry a fragile fetus around inside of themselves any more.

          Jan
          (Of course, the people who want to gestate can continue to do so - and it is theoretically possible for a male to carry a fetus too.)
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          • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 10 months ago
            you must be a woman
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
              Yes, blackswan. A martial-artsy woman, but definitely a woman.

              Did you ask that because of my enthusiasm for the development of External Gestational Devices or because I included the possibility of a man becoming pregnant?

              Jan
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
                Love the idea of a man becoming pregnant. I mean Seahorses sort of do it. Why can't we?
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                • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
                  This statement is based on an incident that occurred around 2000: A woman discovered that she was pregnant AFTER she had had a complete hysterectomy. The ectopic pregnancy implanted on the reverse side of her gut, developed a placenta, gestated, and the baby was delivered by c-section. Comments at the time were made to the effect that there was nothing to prevent this from happening to a man (hormones would have to be carefully controlled - but that is trivial for an INF doctor).

                  I had frankly thought that we would see this happening in reality by 2015...perhaps it was more of an anomaly than I realized.

                  Jan
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
          Feeding the people in the world today is a wholly artificial process, as is this communication and the Engine of the World.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago
            Concocting protein globs a la "The Matrix" is a wholly artificial process. Farm implements, pesticides, and herbicides are all tools to increase yield, but the plant itself grows naturally according to its time and season.

            Communication begins with ideas naturally processed in the mind. The delivery methods may be aided significantly by tools such as this forum, but the communication itself is natural. The same with the Engine of the World: the only difference between the medieval marketplace and the marketplace of today (aside from the reach of government of course) is that of the aids afforded to those who peddle their wares.

            In my mind there is a distinct difference between aids to a natural process and a wholly new process as she is suggesting.
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      • Posted by Mitch 8 years, 10 months ago
        Sure, they can reproduce clones of themselves but that isn't fun… Talk about a lack of diversity, omg. Anyways, anyone who knows anything about science fiction knows that any intelligent life forms that go down the path of cloning as a means of procreation die out due to clone degradation, lmao…
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
      I have some friends that are gay, and as open-minded as I want to be, don't think I would like to watch them kissing.

      I like the FSM afterlife Q&A on this subject. "In heaven there are beer volcanoes and hookers. What about gay people? Do they have hookers too? Why yes, of course, but they are invisible to the straight people"

      In so far as kids are concerned, there are a lot to adopt, or artificially inseminate, or wait until Jan's suggestion becomes technically possible.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 10 months ago
    I choose no marriage contract. Why would I want a contract that gives government another way to ruin my life with my consent? I don't even agree to so-called common law marriage imposed without consent.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
      In virtually all states that have common law marriages a necessary element is that you deliberately hold yourself out as being married. So you are in no danger of being deemed to be in a common law marriage unless you do consent. Hope this makes you rest easier.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 10 months ago
        I don't know who ever told you that, but it's horse hockey. I know a couple from Colorado who were declared married when they went to DMV to register a car together.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
          It's not horse hockey (I love that phrase). I have read the law in other states on that issue. My state does not recognize common law marriages but others do. You can't be deemed married simply by living together. You have to tell the utility company or a credit card issuer or even neighbors that you consider yourself married. Any unambiguous expression of intent will do. But express it you must. How would a DMV clerk have any way of knowing the couple from Colorado was married in any sense unless the couple themselves said so or it had been previously decreed to be the case? By the way, if you still don't believe me go ahead and simply Google Colorado Common Law Marriage Rules. You will see what I'm saying is correct.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
            The two individuals in question were in the military. Ceremony was in Ohio. Tennessee law did and probably does not all that. Apparently they applied for something perhaps it was separate housing allowances perhaps it was insurance and this was denied. The military has or had a don't ask don't tell rule but now is denying full housing allowance to any couple or whatever living in the same domicile owned or rented. Whatever the state law and the state of Tennessee began the legal conflict. The court simply ruled under 14th and 4th Article what had been law for 150 and 230 years respectively.Tennessee got caught and in doing so implicated the other 49. All laws complements of governments composed of Christians.

            Common law is real tricky. I some states living together for six months and one day establishes the rights of a wife or husband as if married. Many couples, especially the elderly gain higher tax deductions by not marrying, in some cases divorcing Each maintain separate addresses and legal documents. It's not just gays that are affected.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
              I don't follow your first paragraph. As to Common Law marriage, I'm not aware of any state that recognizes it that does so after six months without regard to the parties' intent. It would surprise me if that were true since it would mean people could be married in the eyes of the state without their knowing it and contrary to their wishes. Do you know what state does so?
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
                Read the posted findings of the Supreme Court which ruled for the applicants (two men legally married in Ohio) and against the defendant (Tennessee citing Article IV Full faith and credit and 14th Amendment. Both majority opinion and minority opinion. The court had no opinion asked nor given on the validity of the 14th amendment. Nor is there any suit past or present questioning that validity nor any move to repeal the amendment. The argument is personal opinion and little else as to validity.Thus the question was primarily one of the 225 year old Full faith and credit rule.

                As to Common law another urban legend bites the dust. The period can be as little as one day in Texas, has to do more with intent and presence to the public than a time limit and Common Law was banned in California in 1895 though they will uphold such if from another jurisdiction.

                Now I have to rewrite the whole section in view of two other laws - implied infidelity and implied polygamy and federal law on the subject as it takes place on federal property where California has no jurisdiction (I hope).

                Thanks for the assist. it's one of the sections that I hadn't fact checked yet.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      now, that's a fine response. . it was ours, with my first
      wife, until it became obvious that the air force would not
      accept our living together, unmarried. . we found a justice
      of the peace. . complicated things, especially when we
      decided to split up, 15 years later!!! -- j
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 10 months ago
    Their is a case in Utah that challenges our anti-polygamy laws. A federal court said they were unconstitutional. Its already that far up.

    I have lived next door to a polygamist wife (well not married, but in spirit) and she was nice, when her husband was around he was nice. They were good neighbors and did not attempt to push their ways on me. I had no problem with them.

    I would suspect that not all are like these people. Each of this guys wives had a separate house. Some wives worked outside the home and some watched the kids during the day. This particular "Marriage" was not a welfare case and worked with society well. But many are highly dependent on welfare and take advantage of the system.

    The problems that are encountered with Polygamy are not directly tied to the polygamy but more so to welfare and those groups which exclude themselves from society and live apart with a desire to force there values on younger generations rather they want them or not.

    I have no problem with polygamy but I do have a problem with people who wish to force their values on me or others. I also have a problem with those that take advantage of, or plan to use welfare. I have not experienced a polygamist that did these things, but most of the articles you read in the press deal with polygamist that do one or both of these.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
    Polygamy has been the baseline relationship for most of human history: Since the beginning of recorded history, with few exceptions, if you were able to acquire more than one wife, you certainly did so. This persisted long past the accepted social role of polygamy, as high ranking officials of Church and State were expected to have a 'stable' of mistresses up through the 18th century. Until Communism took over China, the majority of the population of the world was polygamous: Africa, the ME, India, and China.

    Polygamy works, and has done so for thousands of years. Now, do not ask me "How?" I have known a number of polygamous families (Hey, I live in CA), but they remained stable for a decade or less. (Slightly OT: I can only recall one 'open marriage' that has remained stable - and that one has done so for 40 years.) Our American society does not provide good roles for polygamy.

    Now, on the side of monogamy: You can generally tell a lot about the sexual arrangement of a species by looking at sexual dimorphism. Amongst the early hominids, the males were twice the size of the females (as is true of gorillas), but as you get closer to the modern human line, dimorphism decreases until we get to the present point. To some extent, we seem to actually be evolving towards monogamy.

    Our current human dimorphism is that men are about 10-20% stronger than women of the same weight, and about 30% stronger overall (per Wiki Sexual Dimorphism). But dimorphism is becoming functionally less in modern times. During the Victorian era, it was not 'feminine' to exercise; now it is sexy to be 'buff'. I can tell you, from personal experience, that I am physically stronger than an average male white-collar office worker (even one who is almost 7 feet tall!). Once I beat them arm-wrestling (for example), however, they go out and buy a set of weights; two years later they are Much stronger than I am.

    I agree with the comments on this thread that indicate that an individuals personal life is not anyone else's business as long as it is consensual or a goat.

    Jan
    (But I am sure, a very nice goat...)
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
      consenting adults can have their privacy. But discerning individuals can have an opinion and be enlightened. Polygamy is a return to the primitive, a tribal notion. What egoist would see his rational self interest met by a threesome or foursome long term? From Ron Pisaturo's book, " Masculine Power, Feminine Beauty (and I DO NOT agree with many of his arguments but on polygamy, I think I agree) : "A sexual threesome is an absurdity. It is like presenting your life’s work to two people who are paying attention only half the time. That is worse than presenting to an empty room. As the number of participants increases, the situation becomes even more anonymous and self-abasing. Such a gathering provides physical sensations with spiritual anonymity."
      K, not sharing db :)
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
        Not expecting sharing!!! (Want appreciable life expectancy.)

        As long as we agree that it is none of our business, then whether or not that particular threesome ultimately agrees with Pisaturo or not is up to them, not up to me.

        Jan
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
      Think Wiki has a math problem. I buy the 10%-20% on weight, but 30% overall doesn't seem consistent with this for the average weight difference.

      Avg man today is 195 lbs. Average woman is 166 lbs. That would put the average strength delta at 31%-47%, depending on the 10-20% ratio. BTW in 1960 the average man was 166 lbs and the average woman was 140 lbs. I wonder how the strength to weight ratios vary from 1960 to now.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
        Thank you for the corrections.

        I would suspect that we are looking at a multiple chain of events: better childhood nutrition leading to larger body size overall; a shift away from farm jobs to white collar jobs leading to physically weak office workers; the low-fat program resulting in obesity and diabetes; the athletic fad amongst affluent people somewhat reversing the effect of the initial shift away from manual labor and farm jobs.

        It would be an interesting study...or probably, book.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 10 months ago
          One of my favorite ironies is a riding lawn mower and a gym membership.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
            One of my friends commented on people who get pissy about not getting a nearby parking space...at the gym. (He makes a point of parking far away when he goes to the gym.)

            Jan, amused
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            • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
              yes, I carefully parked in a handicapped spot yesterday,

              to go to physical therapy for my emphysema. . then, inside,

              I walked a total of 2 miles (per my Omron pedometer)!!! -- j

              p.s. my passenger has a bad right hip joint and it was raining hard.

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              • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
                Sensei parked in a handicapped spot for a while...just after his heart attack...but I think that was so that he could leave more of the regular parking places open for the rest of us. He is a 10th degree black belt: I took jujitsu from him when I was 15-18 and then started again a few years ago, after a lapse of ~40 years. (We did a lot of drop throws last night. Ugh. I am stiff this morning.)

                Jan
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                • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                  WoW. . sounds like you are fortunate to know him!!! -- j

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                  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                    (Actually...I dated him...)

                    Shhhh.

                    Jan
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                    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                      [sensei is a japanese word for teacher;;; I assume

                      that you are talking about a particular teacher, and

                      there are several on the web here who carry that

                      moniker ... do you want to say ... Kuroda, Tanaka,

                      Nishio, Kagawa ... ?] -- j

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                      • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                        I will bow to your erudition. (In short, you left me totally behind in your comments...Would you explain?)

                        Jan
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                        • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                          your comment that "Sensei parked in a handicapped

                          spot for awhile" might have referred to a teacher, or to a

                          teacher's familiar name;;; if you are talking about your

                          instructor, I understand -- sensei. . but if you are using

                          Sensei for, say, Sensei Kuroda, a teacher in a web

                          video which I found, then I am curious if there is a

                          video of him on the web ... and the names I found

                          are Kuroda, Tanaka, Nishio and Kagawa. . make any

                          sense, now??? -- j

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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 10 months ago
    If the government is allowed to redefine marriage, there is no way they can prevent it. Muslims are licking their chops right now.

    It's also highly doubtful from a legal standpoint that the laws governing age of consent can stand either, opening the door to legalized pedarasty. Pandora's box has been opened.
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    • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 10 months ago
      Government did not redefine marriage. Christians did. Marriage is a contract pure and simple. Less than 200 years ago marriage was a contract between two men, the groom and the father of the baby-maker. Marriage for thousands of years was between a man and multiple women as well.

      Not allowing a "type" of citizen to enter a contract of free association is unethical and unconstitutional.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        You make it too easy. 1787 Constitution written, 1865 14th Amendment just to be neat and tidy 16th Amendment and the 17th about 1913. Income tax also carries the onus of never being ratified.

        Let's see who was in government during those years? Islamics, Hindus, Jews - maybe a few. Why it was Christians. How about that? While and and 230 some years of the Couch Potato Party used throw away lines and did nothing. Talking the Talk is not walking the walk Try again.
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        • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 9 months ago
          Can you try that again? This time in English using basic grammar.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
            OK. Back then the only people in government were Christians. Couch Potato Party are the people who talk about making changes and never do. Whatever the contracts were and between who was obviously made by Christians. Just like who should be counted for the Census which is then used to define the makeup of the House of Representatives. Or those who instituted Education at the federal level when it's a power not granted.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago
        Uh, no. Marriage throughout the history of man has always been a religious - not secular - institution recognized by government, but not granted by it or controlled by it. It has only been the last hundred years or so that society has started to try to control the institution of marriage via government, starting with the communists.

        You might be interested to note, but one of the key items in the communist playbook for destroying America is the promotion of gay marriage and the overthrow of religion of all kinds.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
    As for polygamy why not? The dual system as promoted for two hundred plus years has resulted int a 60% divorce rate not counting separations and dysfunctional families that should have. Not much validity from the religious side where it's pretty much all show and no go pass the plate and if you aren't their to toss money in the pot no one knows you. Which doesn't mean I'm not religious but I don't need some hypocritical intercessor in the way. That is point one.

    Point two the whole thing benefits the lawyers and not much more other than a good deal of charity work one of which are the religious professonals themselves.

    Point Three The entire welfare system is religious in nature and based on the brothers keeper admonition. It's a direct establishment of the trappings of a government religion or church.

    Better they stuck to their job and quit going so far afield.

    Point. If their are still children starving in the country why is the government stealing their food and shipping it overseas instead of to food banks?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      yes, if I took tithing seriously, I would have to start with

      taxes first, and estimate how much goes for dollars being

      redistributed to others -- maybe 75 percent? -- j

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  • Posted by broskjold22 8 years, 10 months ago
    Multiple wives and husbands sounds a lot like the 60's and 70's, but with more complicated legal and monetary arrangements. Besides, if you were a husband to three wives and or a wife to three husbands, or a husband to three wives each of whom had three husbands, well, isn't that just dating with a lot of different wedding bands and/or children to sort out? It sounds like a communal society would result where men would pool their resources. That's starting to sound like the opposite of Objectivism.
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    • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 10 months ago
      A communal society by consent and willing intent of the members is absolutely in line with Objectivism. As is the act of charity according to Rand. If one of the men didn't want to share and they took his stuff anyway - that would be against the ideal.
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      • Posted by broskjold22 8 years, 10 months ago
        Well, I suppose that a contract is a contract. But then my original point of more complicated legal arrangements would hold, since one of the proper functions of government is to enforce contracts. Now, legal contracts aren't a bad thing necessarily. Maybe increasing legal contracts between consenting adults would help bring objective principles into practice. My question is: the contracts would be between individuals, right? Or there would be group contracts too?
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  • Posted by BradA 8 years, 10 months ago
    Since we're talking about the State getting involved in something it shouldn't, the one area it can reasonably address are taxes. So, should the State grant additional deductions or credits for every wife (or husband) added to a marriage? If not, then is the state not engaging in discrimination against multiply unioned partners?

    Oooh, I just had another thought! We can eliminate death taxes ourselves. Simply extend a polygamous marriage by adding younger generations to the union so that when the older generation dies off the assets remain in the original marriage just with new survivors. Wow, I think this might catch on. OK, I thunk it up. I get dibs on naming it and any potential residuals. Your welcome.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 10 months ago
    Ok, just so you know some background, back 4 or 5 generations there was a lot of polygamy in my family. I have heard several anecdotal stories about problems. It can get very messy on several levels. But I'm sure the divorce lawyers would love plural marriage to be legalized since that would be a very target rich environment. Now, for a little history...when the feds passed passed the law against polygamy there was a test case that went to the SCOTUS and the law was found to be constitutional, even though the constitution leaves laws on marriage up to the states. So, if another test case on the federal law ever came up they would have to fight that precedent. Judicial activism is nothing new.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
    Dumb...Can YOU imagine having TWO nagging wives, never forgetting the one mistake you made 100 years before you were married?! If you think your gona contain 2 modern day women in a relationship with one man! your crazy...it'll be the War on Women alllllllll over again.

    Equally...I can't see a 'Real Man' (not today's emasculated sissy man) sharing one women unless he really doesn't care for her. I am sure the sex nazi's will try but I can't see it going far. What ever happened to nature, the way things are designed. Everyone ignores reality and decides to just make it up as they go...just like the creatures in government.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
      The only culture I am familiar with that has polyandry is Tibet - and that is because it is so difficult to survive there that it takes more than one man to support a family. A pair of brothers generally marry a woman and together they can support a family.

      However, if the family does well and becomes well off, then your theory is substantiated by the fact that then the younger brother generally splits off to get his very own wife. So this is a purely economic decision that allows a family to survive even under the most difficult conditions.

      However, many cultures exhibited wife-sharing with high status visitors. These were probably not sissy-man cultures...

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
        Your right, there were reasons for a break from tradition, one, as you state, economic conditions and the other was to rebuild society...a good example was the Mormons, (I forget the story), but they lost a lot of their People helping someone else fight for survival. That and only that is why they suggested polygamy. Once their population recovered, they outlawed it; but today you have some that insist on doing it anyway. Now, that was common sense, however, it also outlines the problem with all organized religions...every little sect concentrates on one particular area and not the Whole picture. It's amazing how much common sense there is in our biblical history once you eliminate the pagan mystical misconceptions. I have been studying it in a logical, objective, observational, 'Conscious' way. (was that a mouth full or what?) hahahahahha
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
          I have never seen much logic in the bible, but I can agree that it is interesting. I find the archeology of that area to be fascinating.

          Jan
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
            Study Julian Jaynes: the breakdown of the bicameral mind! You'll begin to appreciate the 'pre-conscious' bicameral man's outlook on his life, events and history. Now here is an interesting tie in to the way liberal progressives act and how bicameral man acted! intrigued? Non-conscious man was smart but unaware of himself, his view, if he 'Was' aware would be that 'He' was a brain and nothing more...everything was a consequence of something outside himself. (external), Just like liberal progressives? They blame everything on something; mostly us, on something beside themselves; where as 'We' (the conscious) are internal and look first upon ourselves for the consequences we experience;; accountability, individual responsibility with a conscience, a subconscious and a 'Mind', We are an entity that possess a 'Brain'. We have an 'I' and have chosen to 'Be' where as liberal progressives, at a very young age, for some reason, chose 'Not to be' and wish to be non individual and part of a collective...much like bicameral man, except he had not the choice; to be or not to be.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
              I read the article bicameralism...now recall it having been mentioned to me back in the 1980's. It would seem that an examination of the cognition amongst modern primitive societies would lead to some data on this theory.

              A rapid look at the internet did not give me any such studies. Hmmmm. Thanks for the new topic for me to examine.

              Jan
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              • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                if progressives are like the Borg and "we" are like the

                integrated mind and body with individuality, what is it

                when I see myself as a person trapped in a body which

                is constantly changing and limiting my life? . tricameral? -- j

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                • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 9 months ago
                  The Borg part is a good analogy. I think Jaynes would of explained that as your view of the body from your conscious 'Mind' [which is outside your head] I have an interesting way of putting this. Remember Me, Myself and I in English class?

                  Me is the brain inside the body of myself made whole by the I of the mind. It would seem that there are 3 parts to us, 3 parts necessary to complete a 'Conscious Human Being. That's why I write in my book that the rulers posses only a body and a brain (although the brain part is debatable, LOL) Therefore are only 'Humanoid' at best.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    Why not? They've been "secretly" practicing it for years in Utah. I've seen some TV about a guy and his "sister wives." Frankly, I admire his stamina. I suspect, however, that the women are subservient types, and certainly not heroes by any stretch. I strongly doubt that heroic women would be willing to share their hero-husband, or that he'd allow such a situation. But, as to the legality? Who cares? I don't care if some guy marries his horse, just so long as they don't invite me to dinner.
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  • Posted by Madanthonywayne 8 years, 10 months ago
    I can't see how anyone could justify allowing gay marriage but not polygamy. Polygamy, unlike gay marriage, actually has been practiced in many societies throughout the world.
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  • Posted by rbunce 8 years, 10 months ago
    What should be next is the government gets out of the relationship approval business... but if they are going to be in it then multiple relationships should not be refused either. For instance, man and women get married and has kids. Man then discovers he is attracted to other men and wants to marry a man but does not want to be legally limited in dealing with existing wife and kids. Should be allowed to do so.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 10 months ago
    Wow, concept is there but I have enough problems with one wife. I definitely don't need another to compound the problems. Maybe I could do like the guy who was told by his girlfriend that it was the dog or her and he put the ad on Craigslist for the gold digger girlfriend, I wonder if I could do that for my wife?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      free to the lowest bidder::: fine-looking animated woman
      with all the best features -- loves shoes, handbags and
      bling. . super in the sack. . requires automatic transmission,
      though. . great deal !!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 10 months ago
    It's fine with me if it happens.

    I doubt it will ever be common, because for most of us, living with multiple adults causes more stress than it avoids. I've tried it and wouldn't do it again.

    I believe the abuse situations that most people in the West associate with polygamy (both because of that cult a few years ago and because of Islam) would be better prevented with legal plural marriage, because people who think their very living arrangement is illegal don't dare go to police for any reason.

    Indeed the same argument can also be (correctly) made against criminalization of just about anything that was legal to do 100 years ago.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
      that makes sense not to mention the sheer danger in legalities and jealousies a too common human traits but those are present in all relationships - so it wants some thinking about and sorting out. I did present that type of situation one time but it revolved around one supposedly legal wife (matriarch) for outside consumption. when it fact it was all girl friends and the agreement was all for insiders only I laughed when it was written as it reminded me of people from dysfunctional backgrounds and one Patriarch or ''stud bull" He nominated and entry required a 100% vote in favor by the insiders. They gradually developed their own rules and ceremonies and, again for outside consumption, played the unwed single mother role. The whole thing was of course fiction but it brought up some thinking or discussion points. To ensure outside legality in the areas that count....well it took some doing....being the author I made it come out happily ever after ... so the premise is agreement, no law breaking and complete child support. The hardest part was the continual supply of oysters and other such - aides. And sleep so I limited it to 51.
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  • Posted by jpellone 8 years, 10 months ago
    The government and the left has already destroyed the pride in being an American!!!! It is to kill children, everyone does not have to assimilate into America, it is ok if you don't want to speak English (press 1 or 2), all of our packages have more than one language on them, let's remove religion from everything, make our children a bunch of stoned idiots, and on and on and on.

    Traditional marriage was one of the last real American traditions outline in the bible. The left is turning us into a bunch of sinners!!!!!

    Next comes removing the American flag and that will be a sad day!!!!
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    • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 10 months ago
      Really??.....You are a member of an objectivist site and you rally for collectivism?

      I have no problem removing the American flag. Mine is upside down to show distress. It is now a symbol of genocide, empire, and tyranny - not freedom or a republic.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        Ever think about why the military never recites the Pledge of Allegiance? Because they take their oath to the Constitution and only the Constitution, not the country, not to any individual,nor to the flag. We may treat it with respect as to what it represents especially the color red. But the oath of office has no mention to the flag, th country or any citizen.

        Bingo you got that one right.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 10 months ago
    A few years ago my wife and I listened to a sermon at our UU congregation in support of polyamory. We joked one day we're going to embarrass our kids by accidentally calling it by the old name, "polygamy".
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