Leaving it has severe financial ramifications as well. The negative impact to business and the economy as a whole gets larger every year.

I agree, maybe 10% would fight, I would not expect more than that The sheeple herd is just too large.. Of course even that (10%) is a very large absolute number.

Totally agree. Sad.

Unfortunately, it is reality. Had you told me the things BHO is doing now, 20 years ago, I would have scoffed and said he'd be in jail or hung for treason. Too bad he's not.

Thank goodness. With all that is going on with this administration/government, I keep thinking its a nightmare, or a flashback to AS while I read it the last time.

How about Option 3 -- start offering under-the-table health care? If I hear about anyone doing it, I'll go to them.

These people don't even believe in a "living Constitution" any longer. Their constitution is a game of Calvinball. It's time to stop playing.

whew. . I wouldn't hang a Battle Flag of the Army
of Northern Virginia in front of my house, so I guess
that I'm insane too. -- j

p.s. the big problem arises when the actual flag out there,
the u.s.a. flag, is considered offensive.
.

Perhaps there should be a requirement for the supreme court members to take college English classes. Clearly they have lost all grasp of the English language.
Those that can... do, those that can't become teachers or politician's
Funny but scarry truth
www.youtube.com/watch?v=peRUTroIuNs

We have surely lost the courts...we should no longer do business with them, Time for peaceful civil disobedience.

Thanks (I think lol) ... still haven't changed my mind about the pot stirrer so I guess there is still some insanity in me.

I do not think it will happen either, but who knows. no one would have thought in 1740 that in 1776 a declaration of independence would be signed. Most of those that signed it had wanted to stay with England in 1766. You just never know what events will lead to.

I think primary care would be available that way, but it would be more difficult to get hospital related care I think. Much more expensive. I know I need more money, and I will get to keep less and less of it. They have a good trap set for all of us.

No. To provide an escape for you and yours. Doctors are quitting. I imagine that they still want to work. A network of libertarian doctors, who will work for cash, will be the alternative. That might also require working with naturopathic and other alternative doctors as well.

Those who will, won't be elected. Carson, Cruz, Paul, maybe Fiorina, won't be elected. They're already being ignored. The fix is in for Bush, or a Bush clone.

30% may be angry, but 30% will not put their asses on the line (go to the bar-W ranch). So, the be best solution is to do a Galt, and hide out until the smoke clears. When the system collapses, the useless eaters will provide the fire and smoke, and then they'll starve. Once that's over, the survivors might be willing to face reality, and work for a living.

I had you flagged as a possible troll from your comments
about Pam Geller, and here you go making good sense.
things sure have changed, lately. -- j
.

this crowd of Mostly Losers is legislating from the
bench again. . and the crap runs downhill. -- j
.

The problem is "What 2nd Amendment?". SCOTUS has been ruling for some time the Constitution doesn't say what it says. It says what SCOTUS says it says, including a total redefinition of the 2nd Amendment if they decide it. A new SCOTUS may have it saying something else.

*sarcasm* Isn't it exciting that we can have a new Constitution every day without changing a single word of it? *end sarcasm*

" ... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations... " Read an interesting book while on a recent 3 hour layover, fiction, of course, based on an out of control government that had racked up a 5 trillion debt in 1997. Term Limits by Flynn. Absolutely the wrong way to respond, but an interesting read.

Weird, for one split second, I misread as "Obamassacre"...

Though liberty is established by law, we must be vigilant, for liberty to enslave us is always present under that very liberty. Our Constitution speaks of the "general welfare of the people." Under that phrase all sorts of excesses can be employed by lusting tyrants to make us bondsmen. Cicero (106–43 BC)

An emperor knows how to govern when poets are free to make verses, people to act plays, historians to tell the truth, ministers to give advice, the poor to grumble at taxes, students to learn lessons aloud, workmen to praise their skill and seek work, people to speak of anything, and old men to find fault with everything. (Address of the Duke of Shao to King Li-Wang, ca 845 B.C.) Will Durant (1885–1981)

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. George Washington (1732–1799)

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826)

And the biggest ironies is in a speech given by the Socialist Woodrow Wilson which proves that even back a hundred years ago a person will LIE and say anything to gain power, so they can abuse it to do THEIR will.

Liberty never came from government. The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. Woodrow Wilson (1856–1924)

Which leads me to a truly GREAT Quote by a Republican President.

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny."
Abraham Lincoln

2nd amendment was there to protect us FROM the government. Now the government wants to get rid of it one chip at a time to protect THEM from us