The Common Core is only hype.

Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 4 months ago to Education
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A name by any other name is still just a name look at the example this mother presents. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEGijN_8...


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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely right.
    The question is, how do we design a system that works, at the very least, BETTER than what we have now.
    I think there's a problem way back in the beginning; from where does the money for the vouchers come [or rather, from whom]?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's why it needs to be as close to the child as possible. Ideally it would be made up of the parents.
    You really think a 12 year old would have that conversation? I don't. If they had not been nurtured to that point, they would already have been lost.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I only wish to prevent my tax money going to benefit something with which I don't agree.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I KNOW that not everyone will act rationally and in the best interest of their children.
    BUT if you're going to put a "certification body" in place, what makes you think THEY will act rationally and in the best interest of anyone's children? They certainly don't now.

    I really mean it, it's a learning opportunity. You sell your voucher and split the proceeds and your child doesn't go to school. A huge number of events follow that, including one in which the 12-year-old kid says, no, you can't sell my voucher! I think motorcycles are cool, and I like being around them, but the garage won't let me work on them because I can't read. I'm going to learn, and you can't stop me.

    Bad ideas have to stop somewhere; bad ideas which support bad behavior choices REALLY have to stop somewhere. Why not here and now? or, see if you can tell me how you would constitute this certification body so I that could approve of it.
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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you seem to think it should be society's duty to guarantee everyone's child receives a minimum education.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    crack whores, petty thieves, those who just have no concern about their children - just some who would gladly sell their voucher (and kids) for 10 cents on the dollar to get drugs or other items that don't benefit their children.
    You seem to think that everyone will act rationally and in the best interests of their children. Such a funding mechanism must provide some means of ensuring that the funds wouldn't just be a sham.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Suspending kids for playing cops and robbers is not pat of CC. It is part of the liberal agenda that is effecting our schools with the replacement of reason with logic.

    As far as I can tell there is no liberal values, except self destruction. Liberal values are take money from group A and give it to group B, then takes rights away from both groups for the common good. Liberalism is unsustainable.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only if people didn't do their homework [pun intended] and spent their money foolishly. Sounds like a wonderful learning opportunity, to me.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There would need to be some means of ensuring that the voucher money weren't merely going to sham organizations. Without some type of validation, what would pop-up in many urban centers would be sham "schools" which would cash the voucher and split the money. That would be a waste, of money and a potentially productive life.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Of course" there would have to be some certifying entity? Sez who?
    Most private schools only go through 8th grade - ever wonder why? Because the state-mandated requirements to be a "high school" are so onerous and expensive that most private schools choose not to attempt to meet them.
    A government-run entity will produce a government school, no matter what you call it.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You JUST did it! "Every class I went to had between 30 and 40 kids in it." So if you did it, or if that's the way it's always been it must be the right way to do it?? NO. and I'm not talking about college either!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "- CC focuses on getting kids career ready instead of college ready."

    EVIL!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Again, if we really cared about educating kids we would NOT have 30 kids in one room."

    Yeah this is why they don't have any of those thousand seat auditoriums in colleges.

    Every class I went to had between 30 and 40 kids in it. I think you're mistaking the problem as class size when it's really *school* size.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The best solution is to provide each child a voucher and allow the parent(s)/guardian(s) to choose where to apply that voucher. Of course, there would need to be some entity that would certify what could call itself a school and receive the voucher. Local school "boards" made up of elected citizens would be a good method. They would review and "certify" in their geographic area.
    Variety is good, as is control as close to the activity as possible.
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  • Posted by flanap 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By definition, if a process is right, then the answer has to be right; else, the process is wrong.

    The problem is how do you know whether the process is right when the results are valueless? Is it a study of a process for the sake of process? This just creates a bunch of oatmeal headed dumbcocks.

    Am I the only one in the world who can see right through all of this? People, you must see that this is all designed to get rid of any reason for children to look for absolute answers found in God, our Creator. He is the only one with the final answers, else, if man is said to have the final answers, at what point and what iteration of man's thinking do we consider the answers really final?

    Science isn't useless because we acknowledge a Creator outside of ourselves. Science is enhance by the fact that absolutes exists and repeatable results are possible. What hinders science is speculation outside of actual science, which truly leaves science and enters the metaphysical. You can see this in the Climate Change (doesn't the climate change everyday?)/Global Warming hoax where science has reached a "consensus." I guarantee that any textbook on the scientific method doesn't say you have a theory based on consensus, but instead based on repeatable results. Evolution is metaphysical, not scientific.

    Oh may the nations awake and realize you are not smarter than our Creator. I grieve so much for where we are headed.
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  • Posted by flanap 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "We should teach value-neutral reasoning. I strongly agree with teaching critical thinking. If it's done right, it won't steer people toward one answer."

    If any answer is ok, then by definition, there is no right and wrong. For example, if a child develops a genius method to murder a person, that is ok under this reasoning, and we are to appreciate the process in how they came up with it and not be concerned with the death of someone in cold blood.

    I am sure you are intelligent enough to see that some singular answers are required. By the way, you yourself admit there is right and wrong by your stating that "if it is done right." Who determines, then, whether it was done right and at what point have enough diverse results manifest success?
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  • Posted by flanap 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The big deal is what is truly driving this. Nothing just pops up out of nowhere and is hailed as some great idea. CC is all about the type of citizen the world needs to fit the Agenda 21, communicated in Rio in the early 1990's. I have watched several hours of YouTube videos from educators that understand education in order to let folks make decisions about their life and not be geared into some predetermined career or path. You will note that even the media and many others have changed the way they refer to those who are employed in this country. They are now called "workers," not "employees." There is a difference. "Workers" are for the state; "employees" are for themselves.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We should teach value-neutral reasoning. I strongly agree with teaching critical thinking. If it's done right, it won't steer people toward one answer.

    I completely reject suspending kids for playing cops and robbers with pretend guns. If that's part of Common Core, people should say so.

    I have no liberal agenda, but I probably come at things from liberal values. I really don't want kids learning any value system, just as I don't want liberal news-- I want the truth, not what happens to work with my value system.

    If Common Core calls for not allowing kids to play cops and robbers, I'm strongly against that point. Let kids be kids.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It IS going around... can't believe I haven't gotten it either.. I get coughed on all day lol
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's to drive a desired outcome so numbers can be used for bonuses and such. Some kids just do not test well...so it's not a completely accurate snap shot.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most can retire at 50 so they aren't that old, but I never ever said it was "easy"..it being easy is not the point at all. Capitulating with evil because it's the easier choice doesn't make it less evil. They can't blame others for their own decision to not fight it, call it what it is, be honest with parents and others, or for staying put and keeping silent. At the very least be vocal about the truth. Again, like I've said before...people are WEAK and can be bought. Yet some how I'm supposed to buy into the idea that they have student education as a priority. Hmpf
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Aarrrgh! That's terrible! And that is how that student will continue to approach the issue of asking for help if she doesn't understand something. This whole "I can't be bothered" mentality is eroding any thirst for knowledge these students may have started out with. This sickens me.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's a ton of revisionist history and social agenda built into all of the curriculum from math story problems to langauge arts starting at the earliest grade levels. The amount of testing is increasing, and so the learning process shifts to
    teaching to testing not as much about critical thinking, which is essential for independent thinking and problem solving. The more you are taught to test, the less you learn to stand back and question...anything.
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