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    Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 11 months ago
    If I had $70 billion or so like Mr. Gates does it might not be a big deal to me either. But having 50% of all I have earned for 40 years stripped from me in one taking or another by various levels of government has made a HUGE negative difference to my quality of life and what my options are.

    And this is not even the primary point. The primary point is that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT to take that money away from us by force.
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    Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
    I read the article twice and didn't see anything where Gates actually made a reference to Ayn Rand.
    Given that Microsoft's profit margin is in the 30% range I doubt that paying taxes has much effect on their ability to invest. The same should not be assumed for the rest of us. Average corporate profits are more like 7%.
    As to giving away his money, I have no problem with anyone giving away their money for whatever cause is of interest to them. It's when they start giving away my money instead that I take objection.
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 11 months ago
      You are correct...he never even mentions Ayn Ryand. The title of the article illustrates that the author is using any statement to support his agenda. This would be like entitling an article. "Bush supports Global warming", because one day he mentions..." it is hot"
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
    Of course this is a trick question and we shouldn't be arguing about it. It is not up to people to prove that it is better for the public for them to keep their own money -- it's their money, they have a moral right to the fruits of their labor.

    So it doesn't matter whether high taxes are impeding development or not, you don't have to prove that the money in your wallet is doing more good there than it would in the hands of a thief -- it's your money.
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    • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 11 months ago
      But the ruling elites want you to think that they know best. What social issues you want addressed, how much money you want to go to education, what foods you're told you can and can't eat. Why if you had money, you might hurt yourself.
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  • Posted by $ hash 8 years, 11 months ago
    With all due respect, Gates is an idiot. In a previous interview, he said that the fact that poverty still exists in (anti-capitalist) third-world countries is a failure of capitalism. The guys is a moron and his company's software has always been the most atrocious bug-infested crap ever to be unleashed on poor unsuspecting users.

    Many of these so-called "capitalists" are nothing of the sort but simply people who were well suited for success in a heavily corporatist world. It's no surprise they will be anti-capitalist, just as were the so-called "capitalists" in AS who were nothing of the sort - Jim Taggart, Orren Boyle, Eugene Lawson, etc.
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    • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 11 months ago
      As a professional techie I must take exception with one part of your comment. I think a fair case could be made that Adobe might make worse software... I mean really, they patch reader and flash nearly every week and still haven't secured it...
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  • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 11 months ago
    Wow he looks more like Woody Allen every year.

    The shot at Ayn Rand was taken by the article writer, not Gates.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
      The writer bent over backwards to take that shot.
      In fact, the article may have well been written before it was decided to insert Ms. Rand's name into the title.
      Solely due to that title, head, heading, whatever you want to call it, the article looks like what Rush Limbaugh would call a hit-piece by the drive-by media.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
    Alec Hogg shows his understanding of financial matters when he compares Gates' assets to countries' GDP. Guess he fits in pretty well with the financial geniuses at CNBC.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
    I believe these guys have truly gone Galt. If they kept their money invested in their enterprises with their minds, they would have produced more and more, while we did less and less. As the leaches became hostile to the hands that were feeding the trough, they said "fine. Take it. It is gold to us but it will be poison to you." They have withdrawn leaving a fools legacy and can bask in the adulation of the pigs that they are leading to slaughter. The disgust that they feel for us must be amazing!
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago
      A very intriguing perspective on Gates, Buffett, and Ellison.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
        I cannot accept that any intelligent, mentally stable human is not rational. When a seemingly sane, smart person speaks irrationally, I ask "What is he/she trying to achieve by deception?" Failed social systems are not rational, altruism is not rational. What should I conclude?
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago
          Your interpretation is certainly a possibility, but we always have to check premises, our own and others' premises. Perhaps that person is not mentally stable. "Seemingly sane" may not be.

          I will say this. The number of people with diagnosed mental disorders is higher than I can remember it. The amount of cognitive dissonance is definitely at an all-time high in the US. The rational conclusion may be that there are a lot of emotionally unstable people out there. Certainly not all people are unstable, but when Little Johnny Producer gets brought down at an early age so that a good-for-nothing kid can be praised, is it any surprise that there is a lot of cognitive dissonance out there?
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          • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
            I blame religion not for altruism but for dangling the possibility of everlasting life, in any form. Fear of death is rational because our life is the ultimate value. Religion saps away the joy and celebration of this single event in our existence and wastes millions of humans. Rather I would have been a beast of burden, perhaps a mule.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago
    One of the premises behind AS was that John Galt would be able to convince a sufficient number of producers to "go Galt". I knew that Gates and Buffett had pledged to give a majority of his net worth to charity, but right at the end of this article, I learned that Larry Ellison has done likewise. How do we fight the disease that so many wealthy people have regarding giving away their fortunes? This is not a new thing. Recall how Rockefeller and Carnegie did much the same thing late in their lives. This predilection toward charity alone would be enough to keep a small community of producers from ever being able to go back into the world.

    Khalling claimed that I thought than man was irrational. I argue that many humans are irrational, but certainly not even close to all. However, I will agree with Khalling if she says that I think more humans are irrational than most Gulchers do. Talk show host Michael Savage once said that liberalism is a mental disorder, that liberalism is irrational. The tendency of many wealthy people toward extreme charity is symptomatic of this mental disorder. Rockefeller and Carnegie had a competition as to who could give the most of their wealth away. That is just sick in the head.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
      Don't forget producer Ted Turner after being infected and hollowed by Jane Fondayourmoney.
      Poor rich producers just wanna be loved. Rational respect for accomplishments isn't enough. They haven't enough respect for themselves. They need to take a class taught by Howard Rourke.

      Gates and Buffet are hypocrites. Gates had the world by the tail and was advancing the software biz until government stepped in to stagnate it. Buffet has been a looter for decades. It doesn't surprise me if Buffet spouts the statist line that taxes and regulation are not an impediment. Buffet just wants any competition to be suppressed. Maybe Gates has Alzheimer's and can't remember the freedom he had once and how that there wasn't such a reguatory barrier to his success. Gates talks in the article like an elitist, statist moron.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
        Gates and Buffet both were once men of sound mind. But after you get to be so big and the machinations of government focus on you, you get sucked into their game one way or the other. What is unfortunate is that unlike Wyatt et al in Atlas Shrugged, they compromised their principles and kowtowed to the government like James Taggart.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 8 years, 11 months ago
          Gates was of sound mind only because he figured out how to run a monopoly and get away with it. His M$ software has been a disaster serving only to waste the time of millions while continuing to get paid for building security holes.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
            I've been a user of MS products since the days of MS-DOS (early 80's) and professional IT guru for more than 20 years and your criticisms of Microsoft's product quality and tactics are not without merit. Gates' true brilliance was in understanding the business models of the time and inventing a new one: software licensing. And Microsoft's monopoly was as much about their competitors' (IBM, Novell, Apple, etc.) blowing it as it was about Microsoft's tactics. I'm not defending Microsoft, just recognizing history (my thesis paper on the matter didn't hurt, either).
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 11 months ago
      It is certainly a fact that the majority of humans do not consciously hold rationality as a virtue or even hold that the realm of ideas and beliefs should "make sense" or be internally consistent.

      Humans have only relatively recently in evolutionary terms developed much of their abstraction ability much less more formalized reasoning methodologies. The neocortex itself is a relatively recent brain development. It should not be too surprising that much of what humans do in aggregate is not terribly rational.
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    • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago
      I have a reaction to Gates and Buffett that is similar to yours, but my next response is to ask "what would motivate such wealthy people to decide to 'give away' their wealth?"

      As I've said so many times before, here and elsewhere, 'the first answer to that kind of question is simple, easy, obvious and wrong.'

      Root Cause is at least 5-6 layers deeper.
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    • Posted by $ hash 8 years, 11 months ago
      There's really nothing wrong with wealthy people giving away their fortunes near the end of their lives. What else are they going to do with them, especially if they don't have children?

      And the existence of such magnanimous private charitable activity is a great argument against the claim that a welfare state is needed to help the underprivileged and the sick and disabled. There can be no doubt that in a world not hobbled with extortionist tax rates and crippling bureaucracy and red tape, the amount of private charitable activity would be orders of magnitude higher than it already is today.

      The history of private charitable activity clearly shows that no welfare state is really needed to provide genuine assistance to those who are _actually_ in need through no fault of their own, as opposed to the able-bodied parasites the welfare state creates.

      (Not that a welfare state would be morally justified even if historical empirical evidence suggested that it did seem to be 'needed').
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 11 months ago
    Bill Gates is a thief and swindler. Name one original invention by Microsoft. Everything Gates has is the result of stealing Intellectual Property. I am sure he has a full staff of attorneys exploiting every tax code loop hole. What is the actual tax rate Billy Gates is paying?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 11 months ago
    It looks to me like another guilt-ridden "limousine
    liberal"; but especially disappointing in the case of
    a self-made man. You can't tell me that it does not
    slow things down when someone works for some-
    thing, achieves something, accomplishes some-
    thing, and then it is taken from him by force.
    Of course, he has a lot more money than the
    average tycoon; and, possibly, he has such sim-
    ple tastes (as I believe I would still have) that
    when a big chunk is taken away, he doesn't no-
    tice the loss. But that would not be so in the
    case of a small-business enterpriser. It is un-
    fortunate that Gates does not show the sense to
    stand up for himself, and also does not care
    when the rights of his fellow property-owners are
    violated.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

    Gates has gone senile. That's the only conclusion I can make. In his argument that the Internet makes the $40K now equal to the $40K of two decades ago, he is essentially arguing that the presence of gladiator combats in Ancient Rome make all the difference to the citizens of that age. It was a facade then just as it is a facade now. Gates is fiddling while American burns, thinking that his wealth will inure him of the fallout.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
      Actually I do agree with his statement that the standard of living is going up even if the income numbers don't reflect an increase. The things we have access to at relatively low cost didn't even exist two decades ago.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
        Only if one ignores inflation. Income is a misleading thing - purchasing power should be the focus. And our purchasing power today is actually lower than it was then because of stagnant wages and higher burden of government, to say nothing of the impending financial crisis ergo our debt. Does the Internet provide greater opportunity? Without question. But without the ability - read purchasing power - to take advantage of those opportunities, is there really positive change?

        Gates can sit back in his estate in Redmond and watch the world go by. He can blithely ignore the 50 million on food stamps and the abysmal labor participation rate - the results of the policies he turns a blind eye to. He can afford to watch our debt spending destroy our future. He advocates misdirection (squirrel!) to attempt to get us to turn aside from the reality that our country is on life support and if we don't stop hemorrhaging welfare spending, our nation's economy is going to completely collapse. And what good will the Internet be then?
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
          Purchasing power doesn't measure the ability to purchase something that didn't previously exist. How much money would your current cell phone have cost in 1995? There is no answer to that question: no one in the world could have the cell phones we carry now at any price.
          How much would it cost to buy a drug that hadn't been invented, or some other improvement that no one had created.
          I'm not supporting the government soaking up as many assets as possible and putting road blocks in the way of the producers. I am, however, saying that people are still producing, making things that make our lives better.
          People below the poverty line (an artificial limit drawn to assure that there remains plenty of clients) have access to more than kings of old.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
            Gate mixes a truth - that advances have increased quality of life - with a falsehood - that $40K from 20 years past is worth less than $40K now. He's trying to get the reader to gloss over the lie by attaching it to a truth.

            I don't disagree with anything you've said, I'm just pointing out the lies that he's intermingling with the truths and likening it to Rome's downfall because I see a direct parallel. I don't buy the fat, dumb and happy mantra he's trying to sell.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 8 years, 11 months ago
    Bill Gates and his sleazy M$ Monopoly is to blame for one heckuva lot of today's problems. I made a post at the source which may have been lost in a power outage, even tho it reappeared when our net resumed.

    I am wondering just what Ayn Rand might have said about monopolies? It's been about 50 years since I read Atlas Shrugged 3 times, but I don't recall anything about that.
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    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
      Hello DeanStriker,
      To the best of my knowledge, she only had problems with "coercive monopolies."

      ."A “coercive monopoly” is a business concern that can set its prices and production policies independent of the market, with immunity from competition, from the law of supply and demand. An economy dominated by such monopolies would be rigid and stagnant.

      The necessary precondition of a coercive monopoly is closed entry—the barring of all competing producers from a given field. This can be accomplished only by an act of government intervention, in the form of special regulations, subsidies, or franchises. Without government assistance, it is impossible for a would-be monopolist to set and maintain his prices and production policies independent of the rest of the economy. For if he attempted to set his prices and production at a level that would yield profits to new entrants significantly above those available in other fields, competitors would be sure to invade his industry." Capitalism The Unknown Ideal, pg. 68

      In a free market where government regulations do not favor the large corporations, only those that provide a superior service and price are immune to competition and can maintain a monopoly.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by DeanStriker 8 years, 11 months ago
        "In a free market where government regulations do not favor the large corporations, only those that provide a superior service and price are immune to competition and can maintain a monopoly."

        That's pretty good, except that I'd strike that part "...where government regulations do not favor the large corporations. That's the problem with all governments -- all have the powers of Force which are used to pick and distort "favorites". Force is prohibited to the People, after all, and that prohibition should apply to both government and to all people within the private section, which of course includes (also people) private businesses of any size.

        Somehow the root of this dilemma is forceful/sideways application of patents/copyrights being misapplied. Oh, that government would be required to stand aside, the dilemma disappears, does it not?
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        • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
          The problem is over regulation that the government imposes which places burdens on small competitors that large corporations support because they can afford it, while placing roadblocks in front of smaller competitors. The mega corps. donate and lobby politicians that create the regulations. Then use the force of government to enforce them, thus giving advantage to the large corporations. There are also trade affiliations/guilds like Barbers unions that stifle competition by enforcing licensing regulations for things as nonsensical as hair braiding and other anti-competition measures. The problem is lack of integrity on the part of the politicians and bureaucratic regulators. They should be telling these would be cronies to pound sand. Only the government has the legitimate use of force. That is not to say that the crony corporatist that wishes to buy favors is not also corrupt, but to point out where the true abuse of power is. Some monopolies exist without the use of coercion, only because they have with integrity offered a better value to the consumer than anyone else has yet matched, or there is a particular condition that creates a natural monopoly. For instance if there is only one place geographically where it is feasible to build a bridge one bridge builder may have a monopoly on bridge fares if you wish to take the shortest route. When you say the private sector I assume you mean monopolies enforced by unions. Any other monopoly in the private sector can be overcome by competition unless they are committing some illegal act such as intimidation or collusion etc. which can be overcome by lawsuit.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
    this guy is doing the legacy thing like BHO -- he wants
    to be remembered as a compassionate fellow who
    didn't mind taxation, since it benefits the less
    fortunate among us . . . he thinks. -- j
    .
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 11 months ago
    Even though I immencely dislike Bloomberg's politics - antisecond amendment. His organization prints a fairly well written "Bloomberg Markets" magazine. This months has an article on China titled "Searching For the Next Jack Ma" discusses the expansion of Investment Bankers searching for entrepeneurs to push China's economy but also to create wealth for themselves and their client entrepeneurs. So, it seems China's corporate income tax of 25% has not stopped cinese entrepeneurism.
    So, when Gates, Bloomberg & Warren Buffet saying the US corporate income tax of 36% isn't hurting entrepeneurs here they're wildly mistaken. Look at them, they are the Oligarch's of the US and no better than their Russian counterparts. It's possible that China could economically bury us in the next decade,despite their theft of high tech product information of recent.
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  • Posted by samrigel 8 years, 11 months ago
    Mr. Gates has gone soft in the head. Curious if he would have had the same take back say in the early 1980's? When one can pay lawyers, and pay them less, to figure out how to get around that 35% his Liberal slip is showing.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
    The last time I saw Gates in person, he was saying "There's no such thing as a patent troll." Let's just say I don't give much weight to anything that comes out of his mouth.

    He is also the idiot responsible for "Common Core." So if his foundation has lost half the money it would otherwise have to the government, that may be a good thing.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    Perhaps Mr. Gates' vast fortune causes him to live in La-La Land. His statements are so off the mark that had he been anyone else say a regular Joe Lunchbucket, his comments wouldn't be considered at all except for far left so-called economists.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 11 months ago
    Perhaps if Bill had finished school, but then again that might have moved him even further left. It's too bad that his money can influence so many changes in our lives that only go in the direction he and his followers want. I praise his charity work, but his charity dollars probably are equal to his dollars for things like Common Core, gun control, and other things he should stay out of. How can a person with his wealth feel any different? I believe he has no idea how high tax rates might effect the middle class and the poor. The rich could give a hoot, it's the little guy that struggles trying to keep up.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    How do you get from 40 to 70 billion when the inflation, devaluation, and debt repudiation chewed up 30% of that give or take? Big difference between a John Galt and someone who sells unfinished non working products then charges extra for the fix. The equivalent would be the static electricity motor without antenna or gears producing only five volts for a 110 system. Just how much does he and his company pay under the table to get away with conspiracy to defraud.
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