Amtrak derailment in Philadelphia

Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years ago to News
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Did John Galt sabotage the tracks, or did government ineptitude lead to this disaster (or both)? I used to ride this train back from college during my undergrad days at The University of Delaware. FoxNews is talking about "a curve". The curve is extremely long and not at all sharp. I always thought that train ride was ridiculously slow.

I guess the guvmint didn't buy and install Rearden Metal.


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
    If we can't take care of nor operate the trains system we have now why talk about high speed rail. Train from Jacksonville Florida to Charleston South Carolina was the same four hours as driving and two to four hours faster than flying.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Processing materials under microgravity results in monster-sized crystals, which makes them resistant to creep and corrosion damage but makes them considerably weaker.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    And wasn't it a few years ago they were screaming they had to be self sufficient? Now they are too big to fail...or too many voters use it..or too many politicians...anyways too many of someones.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought Megyn Kelly's argument with all the people wanting to immediately blame it on politics, funding and "infrastructure" was telling. She seemed frazzled with the idea that it just couldn't be the case the engineer was in a hurray to get home, or oops...was texting..the demand to instantly determine the cause and find a way to manipulate it was very apparent. I was glad someone called Bullsh@t.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 9 years ago
    T. Roosevelt began the debacle, Wilson continued it, but his nationalization did buy new equipment and the US Railroad Administration consolidation plan was genius till FDR scrapped it prior to its enactment. Then he started the Airline and motor truck infrastructure subsidies, destroying the free market in transportation. Truman came in and his labor policies combined with his refusal to pay back the War Bonds placed the lid on the casket and Eisenhower hammered home the lid by creating the Interstate System. After that , take-over was a sure thing, it was just a matter of time.
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  • Posted by basalyga1 9 years ago
    So much we will probably never know. But thanks to our Representative in Congress we do know it was not terrorism. Thank God. I thought those derailers that were stolen might have found their way into some terrorist hand or that those FBI warnings about derailing being another way to terrorize the US. we're accurate. But less than 24 hours after the "accident" be assured ,"it was not terrorism
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I can just see it. NTSB would take over the investigation, classify it all Top Secret, then declare Dagny guilty.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't imagine them being any good compared to soldiers. Unless it's an outfit like Blackwater, and he hates them.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The process for making such an alloy would be mighty hairy, to say the least. It might even have to be done in orbit.
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  • Posted by mspalding 9 years ago
    Inept conductor let the train get to 106 mph going into a curve rated for 53 mph. At the last minute he threw the emergency brakes and derailed the train. If this was a private train, they may not have had a driver or at least they would have had a GPS based speed override.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago
    Well, that can only mean Miss Rand blew the gaffe on that particular point. But I wouldn't think one needed a > 4000 F melting point for rail, or a metal trestle.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That makes sense. The few clues we have, state that Rearden Metal was cheap, ductile, malleable--and tough. And lightweight.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Besides ductility, Cu is the cheapest of the three great electrical conductors in the periodic table.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    And Cu is Group 1b. What could it contribute, except somehow to make the metal more easily workable?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I missed the 4000 degrees Fahrenheit part. That means that Sn is definitely out, and the metals are pretty much restricted to Group V to Group VIII. Of those, the only semi-common ones are Mo and W, both of which are not at all cheap. W has the highest strength at high temperatures.
    4000 F is definitely possible, but not cheap.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I've seen those plots--we went over metal-alloy compositions for at least one lesson during that year.

    But at one point Rand said Rearden Metal could stay solid up to 4000 degrees F. Feasible? Or not?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Eutectics are the minimal temperatures for liquid-solid phase transitions on a temperature vs. composition plot. For example, the reason that electrical solder (Pb-Sn) is sold as 60 wt. % Sn is because that composition gives the minimal temperature required to melt the resulting alloy. Cu would keep the cost down. The difference in cost between carbon steel and stainless steel is a factor of five, so cost is not a small consideration.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I had just enough physical chemistry as a freshman at Yale College (with advance placement in chemistry) to understand what you were getting at. The thing I couldn't understand was: how could the eutectic tolerate temperatures higher than ordinary steel? You're the specialist. Would you still say such a thing was possible, and Cu would be a good contributor, and keep the cost down?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Your description of Rearden Metal was how I envisioned it as well. Interstitial compounds used to be my area of specialty 20 years ago. Now I just teach about them.

    You are quite correct. By your definition, Rearden Metal would be both a steel and a bronze. Bronzes sometimes also have interstitial hydrogen. I would expect Rearden Metal to have both interstitial carbon and hydrogen, likely being carbonized from a methane source.

    Stainless steels, however, have very little carbon, and have Mo and Cr added to provide a sacrificial oxide (with pardon to those who disagree with sacrifice. In this case, it means that the Mo and Cr oxidize to protect the Fe underneath.) and Ni to stabilize the austenitic form of Fe.

    A little Sn would likely help as well and could definitely give Rearden Metal the glimmering blue described in AS.

    Even today finding the eutectic on such a multicomponent phase diagram would be PhD worthy. Developing the accompanying time-temperature-transformation diagram would still likely be a ten year endeavor as it was for Rearden.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Tell me this: can you suggest a workable model for Rearden Metal? I suspected it might be a combined substitutional/interstitial alloy, with carbon blended into the interstices of a crystal lattice alternating between iron and copper. It therefore becomes difficult to tell whether to call Rearden Metal a "steel" or a "bronze."
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  • Posted by $ 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    As a materials scientist, it was also easy for me to identify with Hank Rearden. And to top it off, I had a few years in my life like Tony the Wet Nurse, too, before reading AS.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Fair enough. I tended to read AS from Henry Rearden's perspective. He is the other hero in this peace. (John Galt, Francisco d'Anconia, and Ragnar Danneskjöld were anti-villains, not heroes. Heroes must change their outlook in the course of a narrative. Villains and anti-villains need not. I call them anti-villains because their cause is just, rather than unjust.)

    Well, Henry Rearden simply is primarily trying to protect what's his, and secondarily to fulfill what he always thought was his role in society. He did suffer, and greatly, when Ragnar sank a load of copper bound for his mills. And he didn't appreciate Francisco coming between him and Dagny. Nevertheless, he finally turned his back on a society that could select leaders like James Taggart, Floyd Ferris, Tinky Holloway, and the two other men who met him at the Wayne-Falkland that fateful night. He concluded he was no longer in a society of rational men. He had made that decision even before he came back to a riot, witnessed the death of Tony Wet-nurse, and then got clobbered.
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