Stopping the motor of the world
The link above includes fellow Gulcher David Kelley's interpretation intermixed with AS2.
Over the last couple of days on a different thread, I was in disagreement over whether or not John Galt ever committed sabotage. The failure of the interlocker just prior to "switching via lanterns" is an example of one case that I think, but cannot prove, was an act of sabotage.
Today I started looking at my AS2 DVD and saw the following:
Jeff Allen, recounting John Galt's walkout:
'I will put an end to this, once and for all,' he said. His voice was clear and without feeling. That was all he said and started to walk out. He walked down the length of the place, in the white light, not hurrying and not noticing any of us. Nobody moved to stop him. Gerald Starnes cried suddenly after him, 'How?' He turned and answered, 'I will stop the motor of the world.' Then he walked out.
Now I ask myself, and all of you, how could someone stop the motor of the world by only passively waiting for failure after failure? Many of them, such as the Amtrak debacle or the Taggart Tunnel, were caused by the errors of men. Some were due to lack of maintenance. The cause of some failures is intentionally left vague by Rand, however. The failing of multiple Cu wires in multiple places is an example.
D'Anconia blew up his own mines.
Rearden said he would blow up his own mills (but didn't) near the end of AS2.
Danneskjold resorted to piracy.
Why do people have a hard time accepting the possibility that Galt could have been "the destroyer". After all, he said he would stop the motor of the world. That is not passive.
Jeff Allen: "Maybe that's him, doing what he said. Stopping the motor of the world."
I don't think that lessens Galt at all in my mind.
I look forward to your insights.
Over the last couple of days on a different thread, I was in disagreement over whether or not John Galt ever committed sabotage. The failure of the interlocker just prior to "switching via lanterns" is an example of one case that I think, but cannot prove, was an act of sabotage.
Today I started looking at my AS2 DVD and saw the following:
Jeff Allen, recounting John Galt's walkout:
'I will put an end to this, once and for all,' he said. His voice was clear and without feeling. That was all he said and started to walk out. He walked down the length of the place, in the white light, not hurrying and not noticing any of us. Nobody moved to stop him. Gerald Starnes cried suddenly after him, 'How?' He turned and answered, 'I will stop the motor of the world.' Then he walked out.
Now I ask myself, and all of you, how could someone stop the motor of the world by only passively waiting for failure after failure? Many of them, such as the Amtrak debacle or the Taggart Tunnel, were caused by the errors of men. Some were due to lack of maintenance. The cause of some failures is intentionally left vague by Rand, however. The failing of multiple Cu wires in multiple places is an example.
D'Anconia blew up his own mines.
Rearden said he would blow up his own mills (but didn't) near the end of AS2.
Danneskjold resorted to piracy.
Why do people have a hard time accepting the possibility that Galt could have been "the destroyer". After all, he said he would stop the motor of the world. That is not passive.
Jeff Allen: "Maybe that's him, doing what he said. Stopping the motor of the world."
I don't think that lessens Galt at all in my mind.
I look forward to your insights.
SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8IckAsGh1I
I knew I was going to be in disagreement with quite a few prominent Gulchers on this one.
BTW, I did read Pendulum of Justice. I am planning on downloading Trails of Injustice later today onto my laptop that has the Kindle program on it.
I just reviewed the "Their Brothers' Keepers" section. There was no sabotage on any of those copper wire breaks. The description of the first one made it plain: a soft rain weighted the cable down, and it snapped.
Ragnar's privateering activities served a specific purpose: to recover loot. Francisco blew up his mines because he knew the looters could keep going forever with them. But John Galt knew an enterprise like Taggart Transcontinental would grind to a halt within a week as soon as Dagny left it. Ditto Rearden Steel, and we know how that worked out. (Francisco knew that, too; he it was who recruited Hank Rearden directly.)
Simple entropy and average people will destroy any system.
However only a completely closed system can be designed and created robustly enough to maintain itself with minimal to no correction.
Neither a large company nor a country are closed systems. In open systems entropy and outside influences can destroy anything.
Taggart Transcontinental was a designed system, and despite its reach was being monitored, some control exerted, and corrective actions made. If Dagny wasn't working to correct problems and improve the "system" that company would have been as moribund as any other.
The robustness of Taggart Transcontinental was the legacy of her predecessors at the helm, both good and bad. Changes she makes would impact that either positively or negatively, In her case within AS her impact on Taggart Transcontinental was positive.
But even with all her positive actions the system was still decaying, slowly sliding out of control. Removing the influence of Dagny is a major negative to the system's survivability, but when you couple that with all the workers that no longer perform at the level needed to maintain the status quo collapse is inevitable.
The only question becomes how fast, and a major aspect of that is just how close to collapse the system is when the positive influence(s) are withdrawn. In AS, the answer to that was extremely close.
Intelligence of the "average public" has little to do with it. Ethics, especially their work ethic, is far more important.
People in a job that do the minimum they can get away with, that 'go along to get along' are a net negative, not a positive.
I agree with other comments here that it would be hard to justify respect for property rights while engaging in physical damage to property.
The example of copper wire is interesting. When times are bad, criminals go after copper wire as it marketable.
(Lead is another, re theft of old church roofing).
They do not take care during removal not to damage the connected hardware.
In AS this would certainly have been the case not just because of D'Anconia's copper mines being taken out.
So, sabotage -yes. By Galt- no.
First, when Dagny meets Galt in Part III, she asks him about the Starnesville story:
DAGNY: You told them that you would stop the motor of the world.
GALT: I have.
DAGNY: What have you done?
GALT: I've done nothing, Miss Taggart. And that's the whole of my secret.
I’ve always thought that Galt’s statement implies that he is letting the world collapse on its own once the best producers are removed.
Second, the point that it couldn’t have happened that fast, or with relatively few people removed, Rand said something relevant in notes she made while writing Atlas:
"Theme: What happens to the world when the prime movers go on strike.
"This means: a picture of the world with its motor cut off. Show: what, how, why. The specific steps and incidents—in terms of persons, their spirits, motives, psychology, and actions—and, secondarily, proceeding from persons, in terms of history, society and the world.
"… For the purpose of this story, I do not start by showing how the second-handers live on the prime movers in actual, everyday reality—nor do I start by showing a normal world…. I start with the fantastic premise of the prime movers going on strike. This is the heart and center of the novel…. I set out to show how desperately the world needs prime movers, and how viciously it treats them. And I show it on a hypothetical case—what happens to the world without them."
[Journals of Ayn Rand, 390-93]
Note Rand’s description of Galt’s strike as a “fantastic premise.” I think she used the word in the literal sense: “of or pertaining to a fantasy.” There are many fantastic aspects in the story. E.g.:
* The small number of producers who are at the top of the pyramid of ability and without whom the economy cannot function;
* The speed with which it happens: Galt’s strike begins 12 years before Dagny hears about Starnesville and has already had severe consequences; the story ends the next year and society has completely fallen apart. This is the literary equivalent of time-lapse photography.
* Galt’s persuasiveness: A track-worker can walk into a corporate CEO’s office, without an appointment, and by sheer force of argument and personality convince him to abandon his company, his career, and even the world.
The striking thing is that Rand tells the story in such a seamless, plausible way that all of this seems perfectly natural and realistic.
The speed with which the collapse happens is the hardest part for me, followed by the small number of producers without whom the economy cannot function. Perhaps I am looking at the situation with a filter too much geared toward today, but I find it hard to see such a sudden collapse happening today. I know that Communism fell quite quickly, but the economic underpinning there was paper thin. The multitude of sources from which one can buy things now makes such a collapse in an industrialized nation far less likely than it might have been in prior generations.
I too was astounded by the swift collapse of communism. If only Ayn had been alive to see it....
What all this means for the real world is that a strike, as in AS, can only succeed if it's done against the entire world. And that means both that all (or nearly all) the important producers will need to be persuaded, *and* that all of them will need to somehow escape to places where they can safely "go Galt" and take their work products with them.
We are pretty much there right now. More people on welfare, food stamps, extended unemployment, and every other freebie. By John removing the producers it just accelerated the demise.
What would happen if tomorrow, all of the producers in the fortune 500 disappeared? Collapse would be swift and assured!!!
The rate of disappearance of producers is pretty low.
There are going to be more Dagnys and Reardens than those who go Galt quickly like Midas Mulligan. As long as Atlas Shrugged was when AR wrote it, if written today, it would be much longer.
To collapse the economy today would take at least tens of thousands of producers going on strike, and probably hundreds of thousands. The economy is diverse over a global scale now. The Dagnys and Reardens would look for international suppliers.
That mitigates heavily against survival of the economy when the productive shrug.
It also means a precipitous collapse when collapse comes.
Absolute numbers of shruggers needed to undermine the system is much higher than in AS definitely.
Lets call the small numbers she used, dramatic license. The principle is still true.
edit to clarify - I'm using US numbers. Worldwide the ratio of appetite to production gets even worse
Reinforced by inertia of the known.
Contrasting similarities to AS with differences like this is both entertaining and educational. Nothing like a good discussion to keep the mind alert.
D'Anconia blew up his own mines.
Rearden, was speaking of his own mills.
It seems to me that private property was a limit Galt would not cross.
meant the people who move the world. . this seemed
sufficient for me, since AS used to be fiction. -- j
p.s. sabotage -- by direct action -- would only be
moral if it took out the looters' strangulation systems,
like finances and communications, I would say. . with
the innocent people unharmed, hopefully.
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I believe the answer is clear - the human mind. Especially those great minds dedicated to productivity, creativity, and reason. So he set out to remove those minds from the world.
I have to confess to not really understanding the question. It is kind of the theme of the entire book.
It is also true that the sons of liberty, at least for the first several years would be called terrorists in today's world as well. Let severe than either of these, many a British tax collector found themselves stripped, tarred and feathers for performing their role in British taxation. It is quite surprising that Thomas Paine was never arrested for sedition for printing many of the pamphlets he printed.
In AS stopping the mortar of the world took three people. One who argued the logical and rational case to those that would hear it, and two that pushed the economy and social structure to the point where people became willing to listen in the first place.
The same was true of the US revolutionary war. Without the press of Ben Franklin, the writing of Thomas Payne, and the retaliation of Samuel Adams and others who organized the sons of liberty it would not have occurred.
To stop the current motor what we need is a planned approach, with specific mile markers along the way. I would prefer that it all be peaceful, but I am not sure it will ever succeed without some unrest occurring. I think there is plenty of that now and their will be more. Our side needs to learn to never let a crisis go to waste as the other side has.
Francisco could destroy his mines because they were his to destroy.
Ragnar stole from thieves.
Galt could not have sabotaged Dagny's trains because they were not his nor were they ill-gotten.
I don't believe she was ambiguous at all.
What would happen to your classes if you were suddenly removed and there were no competent people to take your place?
would circumvent the tentacles of big brother, so
that a virtual gulch could develop -- given transport
methods which could also be bartered. . hmmmmm. -- j
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in Albion, Michigan which are in fabulous condition,
for a fair price, one by bidding in ebay and the other
by private deal with the seller. . the first was legit
purchase, and the second -- gray market.
we paid through paypal, though;; I need to find
the barter market where I trade a clean copy of
"It's A Beautiful Day" for a Shure SM57 mic.
wonder how I get there ....... -- j
.
I'm retarded and can squeeze it in!!! -- j
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In a way Galts Generator/Motor is partially to blame. The unit that he has running in the Gulch must have an antenna array hidden somewhere to draw atmosheric electrical charges, & electric power lines (magnetic fields generated by those lines will increase electrostatic charges in the air). Galts device was a technological advancement on Tesla's experiments. So, Galt inadvertently helped in the demise of the world.
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