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Francisco's Money Speech (excerpt)

Posted by richrobinson 9 years ago to The Gulch: General
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I have been listening to Atlas Shrugged during my commute to and from work. I just listened to Francisco's money speech and he was explaining how looters can cause a society to vanish into ruin. He then asks if that day is coming. This gave me chills. I think this explains our current situation.

"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.


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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well if somebody asks for your coat be sure to give away your shirt too. And if they force you to walk a mile as a slave, walk an extra one. And if you should ever be enslaved, be sure to obey your master.
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  • Posted by nln1219 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That is your opinion, I respect that and you are entitled to it. I am afraid I must respectfully agree to disagree. Have a blessed day!
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Many view all sorts of things as reality, that does not make them so.

    AS is not compatible with christianity regardless of how adept you are at doctrinal gymnastics.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Another gem from Paul: Slaves obey your masters.

    I would tell them to slit their masters' throats when they are sleeping.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course they would disagree. Loving money is no more than loving its underlying meaning. It is not a root of any evil.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms." --- Heinlein
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for so effectively boiling this down to the essentials. And of course, X by proxy is still X, whether X is fraud, force, conceit, arrogance or fill in the blank.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they just arrested 3 or 4 guys within the last month trying to fly to the mideast to join ISIS.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I guess, with the current administration you could just tell them you're converting to muslim. (No spellcheck, I'm not capitalizing that one either) They'd probably help you with the paperwork.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand that. Our adult children are our star trek as it were. omg-I HATE star trek so...anyway-You know the writing on the wall. your ability to help your adult children in argument and discussion is key here. It is not about the past, or even the original basis. It is about the future and what they can accomplish and where. we have the world to win
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You already have to buy your way out. To drop your citizenship they've recently installed some pretty hefty fees and complicated the process.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You don't make anything easy do you? Lol
    To be perfectly honest, it's what I know. And there are other freedoms here that other countries don't have. And most of those countries owe that economic freedom to the mere existence of the US and if the US falls the power struggles around the world will leave no one safe. But if they decide to leave the country I will help them.

    I still think the battle Must be won here. I still think it can be. And so far in my life, I have done very little to fight it. I'm just now learning how. Isn't it DB who keeps saying "it is the intellectual battle that must be won."?

    20 thousand of us figuring it out. :)
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If it is too late, you don't want to really know that it is too late, but of course, A = A. What I have done is annotate my copy of AS with non-fiction examples. We are closer to the end of the book than to the beginning. My estimate is that we are about 70-80% through the book.
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  • Posted by Ibecame 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I think thats because she focused on the charters and what they went through. She deeply understood that the faltering of a civilization revolved around the people of that time and the actions that they took. With a proper translation AS probably parallels the faltering of the Greek, Roman, and other Empires.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No problem with the twisting. I enjoy seeing where peoples thoughts go to different questions on this site. I have 4 kids 18 to 24 and a first grandchild coming soon. Like you said, they can move where they want to and I will help them to go if needed, to the extent that I can. I will help them before I will go myself and I know my wife wouldn't have it any other way. Perhaps, as you said, if my financial situation were different but I started way too late in life.

    Take the question literally now, though; How would you know if it is too late. I guess that implies that you don't know until it is too late. At this point my only escape plan is a blaze of glory.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand that I twisted what you said around, kevinw. My kids are 19 and 17. After they are through college and my parents have passed on (I would be very surprised if Mom lasts out the year, but Dad could last a few more.), then my wife and I could well shrug entirely. I had been part of two startup companies, and now am only doing my professorial duties for paying customers rather than looting government agencies.

    My kids can move wherever they want to live after college.

    If you wait until it is too late to be able to GTFO, then you have fed your oppressors for way too long, and you may not be able to execute your escape plan. According to several Venezuelan students of mine, for many wishing to flee Venezuela, it is too late now.

    If you were an engineer, you would design conservatively. Likewise you should plan your escape.
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting, the direction that went.
    When I first asked that I was referring to what point would mean it's too late to be able GTFO?

    I have told my children that there may come a time that they would have to buy their way out of the country and they needed to be prepared for that. They are just now making their way out into the world and I know that I could not leave them here to deal with what I could not. Also, to my knowledge, this country still offers the best chance for them to make a good life so there is no better place to send them. I guess that means to me it is still to early.
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