I don't care about paper or plastic; LED, real bulbs, or the gross counterfeit bulbs. The problem is the government has no business in telling consumers what to buy. Then the market of ideas will rule.
The whole ban is a diversion to keep everyone from looking directly at the truth. It is all an illusion. "They" learned from Hitler and he learned from those before him. Both the Republican party and the Democratic party are the same--a diversion from the truth. Fight among us as they go along with "their" plan.
Here's the fallacy in the premise. Paper leads to advertising and advertising leads to ink and ink leads to eventual leeching into the ground water or if burn't toxic air. Plastic can be separated and put in one spot in the dump or elsewhere. We used to do that with the idea of a plastic mine. In Mexico it's common to sell plastic to a collector along with beer and coke cans and even the pop tops. Anyway the comment has more to do with think it through. Paper? OK. Printed paper which was more newsprint and phone books not ok.
out of the 3 corn bulbs which we have burned, long-term, one has failed (forensics indeterminate) and the other 2 are still burning, after months and months of daily use -- about 14 hours per day. these cheapies are not the highest quality bulbs available, I'm sure. -- j
Well, what I try to do is to get light bulbs to use that are not made in a totalitarian state. And that has become increasingly difficult. I did find some made in Hungary, but was dubious about that, Hun gary having been previously a member of the Soviet block. But I went to a neighbor's house and he let me use the computer to look up the latest information on it. It seemed to be accept- able (who knows whether I'll find out that that was wrong?), so I went to the store and bought a slew of those packages. So that will last me for a while.
Good point about disposal, blarman. Maybe the longer life might compensate, but also maybe it is more practical to recycle printed circuit than a CFL (I don't know, just guessing)
Same here on lifespan thing. Despite the claims right on the box, I've never seen a CFL used in my house last longer than six months, yet they cost 12x as much as even high-quality incandescent bulbs. No thanks.
I have seen data that indicates LED lighting "bulbs' should have a life 5-6 times that of CFLs. That could make them more eco friendly. In addition, my personal experience with CFL's has been that the life claims are exaggerated. In my house they last no longer than incandescents. I have had to replace every one under warranty.
You might be surprised, but because LED's require voltage regulation via printed circuits, disposal of LED-based bulbs is actually worse than CFL's on a one-to-one basis. I like them from a power-consumption standpoint, but they aren't going to win any eco-friendly awards despite the liberals' claptrap.
Want to know what else? Because CFL's are manufactured and sealed using mercury, they can't be produced in the United States. So one of the other great side-effects is that now we're forced to IMPORT all our light bulbs from China, Singapore, etc.
they are committed to forcing their envisioned Utopia into existence, against the laws of the universe. their delusion, like groupthink, has increased recently, since the media have become so involved in the propaganda portion of the "deal." -- j
we recycle both;;; the paper ones either start fires in the woodstove or hold "mixed paper" for recycle, and the plastic ones hold groceries. . again. -- j
long-term, one has failed (forensics indeterminate)
and the other 2 are still burning, after months and
months of daily use -- about 14 hours per day.
these cheapies are not the highest quality bulbs
available, I'm sure. -- j
that are not made in a totalitarian state. And that
has become increasingly difficult. I did find some
made in Hungary, but was dubious about that, Hun
gary having been previously a member of the
Soviet block. But I went to a neighbor's house
and he let me use the computer to look up the
latest information on it. It seemed to be accept-
able (who knows whether I'll find out that that
was wrong?), so I went to the store and bought
a slew of those packages. So that will last me
for a while.
(Note that I have no financial ties, this just happened to be from a quick Google search.)
floodlights which are going under the eaves, as the
old ones fail, are kinda expensive. -- j
p.s. here's an inexpensive corn bulb
which you might like::: http://www.miniinthebox.com/marsing-e27-...
p.p.s. and a round bulb::: http://www.tmart.com/search.html?attr_m_...
into existence, against the laws of the universe.
their delusion, like groupthink, has increased
recently, since the media have become so involved
in the propaganda portion of the "deal." -- j
p.s. Rand was soooooooooo right.
you know, Emma, like the ones against whom
we cannot idiot-proof anything. -- j
"tmart" -- http://www.tmart.com/search.html?q=LED+b...
-- j
decent. . not incandescent quality, but good. -- j
in the woodstove or hold "mixed paper" for recycle,
and the plastic ones hold groceries. . again. -- j
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