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CEO Will Live on $70,000 Worker Wage, Thinks His Life Will Be Luxe Enough

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years ago to Culture
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Now there may be people who think that i am crazy for this, but I applaude and admire this guy. He sees the issue, and he is focused on his company first. He knows that a company is more than the CEO, it is a sum of all your workers. He's not pulling a20th Century Motors thing, he isn't letting them decide "who needs it", he is sharing it across the board. Very logical, and will make his employees incredibly loyal, as they know he understands what is going on throughout the company.
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years ago
    It's actually a pretty good financial strategy. With no deductions, his $1mm salary would cost him nearly $400,000 in taxes. If $930,000 annually can be plowed back into his business, his financial stake in the company would increase by 40% the first year. If the gesture has it's desired effect on his employees, his holdings would increase exponentially. When he monetizes his holding either through an IPO Or more likely just sells his business outright he can annuitize his payments over X years and presumably pay a 15% long term capital gains tax. Decidedly better than 39.6% income tax.
    Good plan. I hope it works out for him.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years ago
      As CEO he can take any pay he wants of course and, as you point out, he has other means of cashing in on his company.

      The people at the clerical level will do well -- as long as he doesn't sell the company or otherwise end the game which will leave them in an awkward place looking for work with an expectation that they should be paid 70K. I know a couple of people who were really messed up in the dot com era by getting salaries that they couldn't get again when people weren't willing to pay high dollar for anyone who could turn on a computer.

      And, of course, it will feel really good for people to be working hard and watching others screw around -- knowing everyone gets paid the same.
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      • Posted by jpellone 9 years ago
        I love your last point!!!! Sounds like Government workers. You get paid well even if you are just holding a sign or a flag as the one running the heavy equipment. Sounds socialist to me!!!
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    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
      I said the same thing... he only has to pay himself a 'reasonable salary' for the IRS. I did the same thing with my real estate company several years ago, I paid myself something like $40k and took the rest as distributions, company paid for my cars, anywhere I went on travel there was a 'meeting' involved. I very legally had a 4% effective tax rate on around $125k.

      It's hilarious how these liberal clowns jump on this like he's the Messiah.

      My other thought is that Gravity is basically a small-fry PayPal, he may be in talks to sell it... if that's the case, he doesn't give a hoot, he will cash out and the new owner will stop paying the receptionist and janitor $70k / year pretty quickly anyway.
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      • Posted by jbaker 9 years ago
        Commenting on your last point there, you are exactly right. This is a short term plan for this particular CEO at this particular time.
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        • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
          Getting national news exposure at a time when you are shopping for a buyer isn't a bad strategy to take... He couldn't buy that much airtime for a million bucks... (he was featured on NBC Nightly News last night in a 5-7 minute segment).

          Interesting no one commented that he made a million a year and had the workers using cheap / small laptops and working on what looked like temporary folding tables & chairs all day...
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      • Posted by jpellone 9 years ago
        My question is "How much has he already made?" Has he already made enough that he has a million dollar house, more cars than he will ever drive, and a big bank account? I'm not knocking that he made it, just the fact that he has enough...

        It is good that the employees will benefit from his generosity instead of sucking the company dry.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        " I paid myself something like $40k and took the rest as distributions"
        I did the exact same thing. My CPA assures me it's legal. I also use the business to pay for anything I can that is honestly business-related.

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        • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
          I kept it a little cleaner and avoided the attestation that "my vehicles were only used for business purposes and I had another vehicle to use for personal". Instead, I just reimbursed myself at the maximum per mile rate. I live out in the sticks so mileage wasn't a problem. In some years, I reversed it as I had one vehicle that I really only used for business and company would pay for everything and I would write a check for a few bucks for some miles for personal use. Give it enough legitimacy and no one looks closely.

          Funny how the IRS loves to audit you if they think you didn't pay enough... but I've never seen them come to someone that pays too much and offer to find ways to give them a rebate...
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years ago
      I am with you, SaltyDog. I don't think this is altruism; I think this is a business decision.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years ago
        It works for Warren Buffet!

        He take $100,000/year as salary. The rest is in Berkshire Hathaway shares.

        It's the government's system; these guys just know how to game it. And I'm OK with that.
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        • Posted by $ 9 years ago
          There you go, game the system as "They" designed it, since "we" can never make it fair and equitable. I don't begrudge anyone able to do it, the system is so damn complicated you just load up the tax software, try to be as honest as you can, but answer every question with an eye towards "Is this really..?" I have a small horse farm and everything keeps skyrocketing, so all the expenses do as well, and adds to my "business" deductions. I am just impressed that he stopped to consider someone other than himself, even if it is in a self serving way. Pure honesty and truth and kindness, etc.. do not money make...
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    • Posted by term2 9 years ago
      This sounds great, as does full blown socialism. BUT, people arent going to work harder for a larger salary that is just given to them. Commission programs perhaps might make them work harder, but once you "get your raise that you deserved anyway"- theres no need to increases in work output.
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      • Posted by RonC 9 years ago
        We've been debating this around our personal Gulch. She says it's wonderful thing, the employees will be more loyal and work harder to produce more. I say some may, others will soon be living month to month again and wonder what the boss has done for them lately.

        I wonder about "humanities studies". Is there a pecking order for humans? Will the CEO by surrendering pay differential also lose the respect of many in the work force? Maybe. In most human organizations there is order, chain of command, or white and blue collars. If he surrenders the apparent differences, what will the micro social outcome be? What happens when a General takes off his stars?

        I hope the media reports the outcome as certainly as they have the headline.
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        • Posted by term2 9 years ago
          I think if you are going to pay more, it needs to be tied to actual performance, not given in advance as a "living wage". I let our people know I watch production and performance pretty carefully and arrange bonuses to bring actual pay up to what they have earned through performance. BTW, people adjust their living expenses to match salaried or hourly income in my experiences in business, so the higher the base pay is, the less production you actually get.
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  • Posted by jbaker 9 years ago
    This is an interesting one.

    1) Did the story mention his bonus and equity structure? It may have and I missed it.

    2) This is somewhat like those stories you hear from time to time where the CEO takes a $1 annual salary. This is a relatively short term arrangement for him. It goes back to previous levels if the company does better in the next year or two and if the company doesn't do better ... I'm sure something else will change. He is clearly not saying that he has decided that he just needs, and that he is "just" worth $70k per year from this point forward. He basically doesn't need any salary in the short term because ...

    3) He has few expenses. It sounds like his house is paid for. He doesn't need a new car in the short term. He has made a more healthy salary over the last n years so I'm sure he has plenty saved and his retirement is probably already secure at age 30. Good for him. Well done.

    4) This point is of lesser significance, but he also mentions that the crowd he "hangs" with is wealthy. So again, he can afford to take a year or two with lower salary and still be part of this crowd. Various expenses will be handled by osmosis, in the short term.

    5) He started this company when he was 19. It is his baby and I am not surprised that he will pour everything into it to make it successful. And again, good for him - that's what you want out of a CEO. But this fact weakens the premise of the story. Comparing this CEO and his salary structure to all CEOs in general may be a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

    I do find the story fascinating, especially for the comments over there on the Yahoo story.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Indeed, good questions, but not the kind that would get into mainstream media, they are "distractions"you may be right about the comparisons, but I find the idea has merit, in some ways. He doesn't have to do anything about it, it is his choice and we just have to see how well it plays. Maybe we will never hear another thing...
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years ago
    So no merit pay? Company will turn into slackers. Seen many times. Closet socialist. Many who read A.S. still support forcing employees to join a union. Dolts.
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    • Posted by Temlakos 9 years ago
      It's the Twentieth Century Motor Company all over again, this time with Eric Starnes, not Gerald Starnes Jr., in charge. All that's missing is Ivy Starnes, the schoolmarm-ish handout judge.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
    Last year they paid an ave of $48k to 120 people, just under $6 million. Their profits were $2.2 million, and something less this year. He's immediately increasing non-officer payroll by at least $600k, and decreasing his pay by $930k. Payroll will increase to 8.4 million by 2018. With current revenues, that will mean he'll be losing money. He's gambling that his planning along with the higher wages can motivate people, retain talent, and get talent enough to increase revenue by more than $2.5 million, making this a good decision for all concerned.

    I suspect this scenario plays out way more often than people realize.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Not enough for me, if more companies woke up to the reality of no human on earth (even Hillary or Barack) is worth more that 1 million, a lot of companies bottom lines would be better and return more value to shareholders. The problem is the Boards and CEOs for a unique club that votes itself in, and most boards do no due diligence, just rubber stamping the CEO,the pulling the ejection lever when they realize they hired a loon and try again. For 2 years the Board and senior staff at Intel were believed to have been trying to get Paul Ottelini to do several things (mobile, foundry work) and were told "No". he finally left, and Brian Krazanich took over and it was about face. he didn't do it without the Board following. The goober at Home Depot who cost the company 70 million or so in wasted money on the "golden parachute" is on the posterboy list for this idea.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years ago
        Many CEOs are worth way more than 1 million dollars a year. But many are hardly worth 70k a year -they are mostly politicians who have no idea how to create wealth. Take Jeffrey Immelt or a Carly Fiorini for example. There's another large group who are just glorified accounting cost-cutters. Part of the problem is that we don't spend time on studying how to create real wealth. I am not talking about making profits. In fact, most of these high paid CEOS actively work against the main principles of wealth creation.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
          Amen. I worked at HP when Carly took over and immediately knew that was going to be a bad deal just based on how Lucent (Fiorina's previous CEO gig) tanked right after she left. And why? Because she sacrificed the future (R&D) in the name of the present (higher margin). And I largely fault the Board of Directors for even hiring her in the first place under such a perverse incentive plan. Under Fiorina, HP went from investing 10-12% GROSS revenues (mandated by Hewlett/Packard) in R&D to <2%. Perversely enough, she was also the one who changed HP's logo to "HP Invent". And what happened? HP's products began to suffer in the marketplace and their brand is no longer the hallmark of premier engineering, but merely of just another competing electronics manufacturer.

          If I had a large multinational company like an HP or a Dell or an Apple and I needed a new CEO, I would structure the incentive plan such that the CEO took a stock salary the first five years and got deferred options (five-year vestment period) only after the first three. That means that they would have had to run the business well for _eight_ years before they could cash in on the larger payout. Why? Because it takes at least two years for the old CEO's policies to finally leech from the system. Product lifecycle in tech industry is 18-months to two years, meaning that it would only be after four years that you would start to see new products hitting shelves that were completely initiated under the new CEO. Give them a year in the market to judge profitability and there's your five years. Additionally, I want them focused on the long-term - not the cut-and-slash that makes them popular on Wall Street. I want a company that lasts for decades - not a quick blip.

          Also, I wouldn't give them the power to hire or fire anyone for the first year. It's a management fad when the top echelons change out to bring along all your hangers-on and establish them as VP's, etc. right off the bat and all it does is create chaos and entice your best people to jump ship. Brain drain is incredibly detrimental to all companies.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years ago
            AMEN. I completely agree. and what the heck an english major was running an engineering company? really? that was the best person they could find? no it was a crony decision. (full disclosure: I was an english major)
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
              Actually, she was a History major (you're off the hook ;), but I completely agree with your point.

              Yes, it was a crony decision - she was groomed for the position by Lou Platt - former HP CEO, though how that happened when she wasn't even an employee of HP is beyond me.
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          • Posted by jbaker 9 years ago
            That sounds like a good incentive plan and I generally agree with you. The thing about those large multi-nationals though is they are not owned by "a" person. So the opportunity described as "if I had a large multinational" never comes up. I understand your point though. Most often these businesses are not run like businesses the way you and I, and the electric motor refurbishing business down the road, think of running a business. They are driven by stock movement on a quarterly basis if not shorter windows. There are exceptions of course.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
              HP used to be owned and run by the Hewlett and Packard Families who sat on and selected other members of the Board. My father worked for them for >20 years, so he started out with them when they were the #1 company in the business. The Packard family was the first to sell off their interests, with Walter Hewlett staying on until the Compaq merger was forced through by Carly (and I can tell you about the underhanded tricks if you want). After that, there was no one in the Board to keep them interested in the long-term profitability of the business. To no one's surprise, that is when the revolving door started turning and HP's churn at the top became endemic and systemic due to corruption and insider deals. Upper Management began focusing solely on short-term profit margins, squeezing out R&D (and future product lines) in favor of short-term fad products (see Kittyhawk).

              What is just staggering to me is that in doing so they totally ignored the fact that up until this policy was put into place, HP had been enjoying frequent stock splits and profound profitability for both employees and investors. I worked there as a summer intern and as a full employee (even though I was just there for the summer) I was eligible for quarterly profit-sharing. I knew of a lot of people in our city who bought cars, swimming pools, boats, etc. off those quarterly profit-sharing checks. It is no coincidence that under Lou Platt eligibility for those got restricted to managers and under Carly they were eliminated all together. It is also no coincidence that during that time HP stopped being a manufacturer and became a designer and marketer. There is something about putting out a quality product with your own two hands that can not be duplicated.
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              • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                Indeed, an excellent example of my point that CEO's and Boards can be more destructive than any other factor, yet they are always the highest on the food chain. Position does NOT guarantee competency or capability, hence the pay should be relative to that, not because you are top dog.
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          • Posted by Danno 9 years ago
            Are all the HP engineers going Galt?

            When did HP come out with a dvr for oscilloscope? I made one in college in 1990 for my digital design class project that was used in physics class.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
              No - all the good ones got laid off. Many of them in my area either started their own companies or (ironically) got hired back to HP as contractors when management found out they had niche system knowledge which was impossible to replace. Karma either way, as now HP is either paying more for the very same work (contractors) or facing stiffer and more competent competition (start-ups)!
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          • Posted by $ 9 years ago
            Again, this supports the idea that just because you are CEO, does not mean you get huge bucks, The system does not work, it is too corrupted by the industry insiders, those who "know" and Boards made up of astronauts and retired generals making hundreds of thousands for one or 2 meetings a year. Look at the names on some boards and you wonder who the hell they are. Fiorina did her destruction and then moved on to:

            After HP

            After resigning from HP, Fiorina was named to several board memberships. She was named to the boards of directors at Revolution Health Group[59] and computer security company Cybertrust.[60] The following year, she became a member of the board of directors for chip maker Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company.[61] She joined the board of trustees of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Foundation Board of the World Economic Forum. She is an Honorary Fellow of the London Business School.[62][63][64][65] In July 2012, Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia appointed her to the James Madison University Board of Visitors.[66]

            In April 2012, Fiorina became chair of Good360, a nonprofit organization in Alexandria, Virginia that helps companies donate excess merchandise to charities.[67] (From Wikipedia)

            And yet she thinks she is better than Hillary..... Look at how many "Boards" she has sold her brilliance to. She is working without working, the new America...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
        I think you conflate the James Taggarts of the world - which abound - with the Hank Reardons. Bill Gates - love him or hate him - is certainly worth more than $1 million/yr. I would argue the same for Larry Ellison (founder of Oracle), Richard Branson (Virgin), and a whole host of others - including many small business owners who invested their blood sweat and tears but don't make the public stage. Now there are also certainly those not worth the $70K/yr, and that list is very long indeed and includes the majority of our politicians. What you miss, however, is that each business has the right to decide how much their officers get paid. Value is somewhat objective but also has a large portion of subjectiveness. If you are a stockholder in a company and you think that certain officers aren't worth their pay, you can choose to vote against them. If you are a customer, you can protest by not purchasing goods or services AND letting company representatives know about it.

        I, however, find nothing useful in moaning on about how much someone else gets paid. It's pointless. What should matter is what YOU are doing to demonstrate your value.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        "more companies woke up to the reality of no human on earth (even Hillary or Barack) is worth more that 1 million"
        I agree that interlocking directorates artificially inflate pay, but I can see a possible scenario where someone is worth 1 million. If a company's earnings are in the billions and the best manager can improve them by 0.1% over the next best candidate, it makes sense to pay the better manager hundreds of thousands more than the next candidate. In practice, the positions are probably influenced by board politics, as you say, but I wouldn't say it's impossible for someone to bring millions of dollars of value to a large org.
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    • Posted by term2 9 years ago
      The problem with this idea is that the salaries he is quoting are unrealistic in todays economy. Competitors will come in and cut prices using less grandiose salaries if they can. I dont have a problem cutting the $1M salary. Salary is a stupid way to take compensation. Take the $930k and cut prices and expand your business and then sell out and take the cash then at lower tax rates.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years ago
    Everyone's needs are different. If he was married and had a few kids, I'm not sure $70K/year would be comfortable in Seattle anymore. As a single guy, perhaps. I'd be curious to know what he's got socked away and already invested for his future. Personally I like his idea, but I would not go quite that far, I'm just too greedy. I feel someone that starts a business takes the big chances, subjects themselves to all kinds of problems, legal implications, physical and mental disorders, etc. It is not an easy thing to own and run a company today. They deserve whatever they can make out of their own company and the market will determine their success or failure.

    Perhaps he is contemplating taking his business public? Perhaps this will get it recognized enough to make the public offering quite successful.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years ago
    I would liken this to Ford's 40 hour work week, which saved him money by way of fewer days lost work, happier and more productive employees and fewer accidents.

    I started my career job in 91. Till about 94 every employee had profit sharing and some stock options. Then the grunt jobs lost these, then it creaped up and by 2000 only management had stock and bonus plans. Everyone can thank Jack Welch (CEO and author of Winning) for that BTW.

    I see this as someone taking a shift back the other way. Its a good direction and I hope it is hugely successful for him and then mimicked by others after he proves it helps with success.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      XenokRoy, I work at Intel, where they still have a quarterly performance bonus,(which was not too great last quarter). With over 100K people only about 12000 actually make the stuff, and another 40K design and create the new, so I am not quite sure where the rest fit in. But it is still there, I am not sure they could really get rid of it now, it's pretty ingrained.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
    I'll just add in my observations about a fairly well-known company: Hewlett-Packard. My father worked in the Disc Memory Division back when HP still researched, developed, and manufactured the best hard disk drives on the market. They had an astounding 5 year warranty nobody else could even touch and their employees - from engineers to assembly line workers - were proud of their products.

    What should also be noted was that during those years, the employees were rewarded for their successes with quarterly profit-sharing checks that were frequently as large as a paycheck in and of themselves. As a result, there was no lack of people who would volunteer to get a last-minute shipment out the door and no lack of those who would volunteer to work weekends or overtime to help debug a problem because they were vested in the outcome!

    That changed after a couple of years of Lou Platt. He did away with the Division carnivals (massive affairs hosting thousands of families with food, games, and entertainment all paid for by HP) and limited profit sharing to managers. Between Platt and Fiorina, they also did away with the employee purchase program which enabled HP employees to get HP gear at cost, and then further limited profit sharing to just executive management. Then they started charging for office supplies, outsourced all their maintenance and cafeteria workers, and then finally their manufacturing divisions altogether. And as each employee benefit dwindled, so did the quality of the products.

    The first massive layoff under Fiorina (which claimed my father as a casualty) was all about benefits - healthcare to be specific. You see HP was liable for the healthcare costs of any employee who had retired with >20 years of service until they died. They didn't want to be saddled with this cost, so they laid off their best and most knowledgeable employees in one fell swoop. Future layoffs similarly claimed their victims from the ranks of the best, leaving an entirely new crew of employees who knew nothing of the HP Way - nothing of the values of Hewlett and Packard.

    To me, it is an instructional tale of how to build and then destroy one of the most creative legacies of industry in modern times.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Blarman, I agree with you, and it is the crappy "leadership" that gets dragged in for millions, and performs at the level of the 3rd floor janitor, that made me post this. In MHO, no CEO is ever worth more than the highest paid worker, simply because they deliver the same thing that worker does, a contribution to the final product. While one guy may be the expert toilet paper replacer, another is the wiz at buildong the hardive. Man with dirty bumn does not do well at hard drives, due to distractions. I am not an advocate of communist style companies or setup, I just do not believe in the crazy CEO crap, it snarks of Hillaryism. There is always a herd of people with common sense who can fill the job, usually better than the spoiled idiots they hire. I knew many people who worked in Corvallis who were trashed in the HP meltdown, and they saw it coming and couldn't do anything to stop it. Very sad...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
        I agree that the prevalence of sub-par CEO's does tend to make one pessimistic, but I do believe there are exceptional CEO's that do provide value justifying million $ salaries. I believe that Ayn Rand depictions of value in CEO's in "Atlas Shrugged" was accurate: only a few were true revolutionaries who truly made things happen. We shouldn't forget that even though there are a lot of James Taggarts in today's business world, that there are also the Hank Reardon's who do not deserve to be lumped in with them. I find danger in lumping all of corporate America into the 1% so bandied about by the Occupy Wall Street know-nothings.

        That being said, we certainly can't (and IMHO shouldn't) stop companies from making bad decisions in CEO hirings. That it has trickle-down effects that get passed on to hundreds or even thousands happens. No, it's not fair, but it's life.
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  • Posted by smichael9 9 years ago
    I don't have an opinion on his ultimate motive, but as a liberal experiment of wealth distribution it seems to smack of the "moocher' philosophy that Ayn so vehemently abhorred. To me, Ayn says that a worker should be paid according to his contribution to society. A hard worker who continually strives to improve his abilities should expect to become more valuable and should reasonably expect to earn more than his counterpart who does the minimum to keep his job. To pay the building maintenance employee the same as the president of the company may, on the surface, seem a honorable, almost heroic thing to do. Nothing could be further from the truth. The lesson of the 20th Century Motor Factory should not be lost on us since it exemplifies the liberal view of the world today.

    I'm sure that many of us believe that helping the poor and disadvantaged is the christian thing to do. At the same time we need to recognize that there in lies the slippery slope of welfare. Many of us believe that helping educate the disadvantaged, providing training or tools that they can use to improve their lot in life is the more realistic approach. Granted, this approach requires each person to become responsible for improving his/her situation. Fortunately we live in a country where we still have the freedom (for now) where we can be the masters of our own destiny. We can strive to become more, to learn more and to do more. Welfare handouts do nothing to solve the fundamental problem and research has shown that these handouts perpetuate the dependency on government to solve their problems. Our future is in our own hands and we are free to do with it as we please.

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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Major difference: To me, Ayn says that a worker should be paid according to his contribution to society. A hard worker who continually strives to improve his abilities should expect to become more valuable and should reasonably expect to earn more than his counterpart who does the minimum to keep his job. To pay the building maintenance employee the same as the president of the company may, on the surface, seem a honorable, almost heroic thing to do. Nothing could be further from the truth. The lesson of the 20th Century Motor Factory should not be lost on us since it exemplifies the liberal view of the world today.

      20th Century was inherited by some moronic, spoiled children, who were of the same education as a lot of CEOs (read: We are rich, so we are smart, so we are better). They then took their "smarts" and applied it to the company. allowing everyone to vote on who "needed" the pay. Pay for performance is not a new idea and is in use in some companies (mine for example), but even then, there are distinct issues with it. It relies on those above determining what that "pay" is worth. So even if things would grind to a halt without you, "they" do not see it that way, and it is translated into a higher pay raise, above your peers. That does not stop the "management" from cleaning up because they, of course, have these huge responsibilities, like making sure all the minions get to work.CEOs set strategic direction, policy and then, then, need to know enough of the business to know why nuts go on bolts and replacing them with washers because it is cheaper, is still a bad idea. Many, many do not. The Home Depot deal was the stellar example and cost them 80 million flushed down the toilet into the guys pockets just to get rid of him. They couldn't fire him, send him to Antarctica or anything. That is Board irresponsibility as well. Our future is only in our hands as far as we can reach and that is not too far in corporate america. That may have been part of AR's message. reach as far as you can, but sometimes if you have a better idea/product and the faith, bail out and do it yourself.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years ago
    Regardless if you think this guy is a socialist paying out unearned benefits or a capitalist executing a tax strategy, one thing I can guarantee:

    The mainscream press will use this example for why the minimum wage should be raised to $25/hour. "See, this guy pays his floor sweepers $35/hour. And he's glad to do it." If the company goes bankrupt or is sold for a bundle 2 months after the story airs doesn't matter to them. They never go back to close the loop on their stories. It's all about creating false perception long enough to get voters to go along with another bad idea.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years ago
    "and will make his employees incredibly loyal." No it won't. All it will do is play socialism within his company. All those who excelled will stop excelling and simply preform at the average since there is NO benefit to working hard.

    They will all be loyal to the paycheck not the employer.

    While he is taking a bit of a different twist, he is still "spreading the wealth" evenly regardless of the efforts put in by each contributor, thus making everyone the same. Watch how this implodes.

    I know in my ciurcles in IT, about 90% of the REAL work is only done by about 10% of the people. when that 10% "shrugs" because they are not receiving the only recognition that really matters...a wage difference between them and the lazy, his company will start falling apart at the seams.

    I know I am going to watch and monitor this so I can throw it in the face of every liberal who loves socialism. Watch the mainstream media ignore the story when his company faces bankruptcy and everyone is unemployed.

    Having said that it is HIS company he can do with it what he wants.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 9 years ago
    When I watched this story on FOX, I was immediately reminded of the timelessness of human nature. Specifically:

    1. It will "work" in the manner so wonderfully described by many who have commented on the article. Specifically, human nature will "triumph" in the end.

    2. The same motivations to publicly present this story, will NOT publicly present the results - unless they serve to impugn the CEO.

    The "bottom-line" is that it is his company and he may do with it as he pleases. Those who desire, however obtusely, something for nothing, will, as they most always do, get nothing from something.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years ago
    I also hope that this works out for these folks. . yet, I
    studied motivation pretty thoroughly for an IE masters
    and there must be personal recognition associated
    with $$, else it becomes a "utility" like clean H2O in
    the u.s. and is taken for granted.

    we can just hope that his management team makes
    everyone know that their contributions are valued
    individually. -- j

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  • Posted by waytodude 9 years ago
    I know far too many that work hard and produce that would dream to make 70k. While far too many do little and produce nothing and make millions. This seems to be a noble jester let's see how it truly plays out. Truth is always in the outcome not the plan.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      I would reserve judgement to see what happens. People (especially here, where I think a lot of people actually can see what is happening) tend to get very frustrated and cynical, since cynicism is usually called for, but I would like to think the better of this guy.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    Is he divesting himself of his holdings until they equal the average workers savings? Is he moving into a $200,000 house with a $150,000 mortgage? No? Then he's not making it like his average worker. It may look good to his employees, but it is mostly bullpoop. A good ploy, I guess, but, I'd rather see him reward his people based on individual achievement, which will illustrate that those who work hard and apply themselves are more rewarded than those who just show up every day.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Herb, they guy says:
      "When asked what life will be like for him at a lower pay, he said, "I haven’t even thought about that at all, too much. My life started pretty simple, in a lot of ways. I don’t have a lot of financial obligations or debts."" So maybe he doesn't need it, and as others have pointed out, he may want to sell it and make out that way. If it is his own, and someone wants to swallow him up, then he stands to come out better off. I don't know, hard to tell what his motive is, maybe he really does want to make it better for his employees... weirder things have happened.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 9 years ago
    "...The experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years, and that amongst the Godly and sober men, may well convince of the vanity and conceit of Plato’s and other ancients; — that the taking away of property, and bringing into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort." William Bradford 1620
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years ago
    He sounds like the nit wits that inherited metropolitan motors and ran it in to the ground! He is not as stupid as that though. The thing everybody in the liberal intelligentsia that is salivating over this story is missing is that he's the owner of the company. Every nickel he doesn't pay himself and salary comes to him in profit. he is actually doing nothing really more than raising his base salaries. Quite frankly his industry is a mega profit industry anyway so he can afford such largesse.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years ago
    $70,000 is a worker wage?!---Shows what a peas-
    and I have apparently always been.--Never mind,
    a man should be paid what he's worth, and accord-
    ing to what he produces. If he produces more than
    that and is worth more, it seems kind of foolish
    to me. But I didn't hear the story, so if the com-
    pany is in trouble, and he is doing it to save it,
    maybe there is some reason for it.
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  • Posted by barwick11 9 years ago
    What the everliving hell am I reading from you guys? You think this is a good idea for this company? YES this is exactly 20th century motor company.

    First off, he's CEO, not sole owner as far as I know. So he can't take ownership distributions, unless I'm misunderstanding things.

    Second off, you can pay people a billion dollars a year, but if they don't get their raise they "deserve" every year, they're going to be pissed. Every single one of the $25,000/year workers will spend their way up to $70,000/year lifestyle within a few short months, and be in WORSE financial shape than they were in before. Then, they'll "need" to make more money, and complain when they don't get it. They won't be able to find work anywhere else at this rate (because they've been coddled for so long in their dead-end job that paid over double market rate), and so they won't be able to leave the company. BUT, they'll be pissed because they're not getting more money and raises like they "deserve", they'll create a horrific environment for those who actually manage to live on that "meager" $70,000/year, drag those guys down into the whining and complaining toilet, and you'll have a company full of pissed off people. AND, chances are, they'll probably complain to a union and get the company to be forced to retroactively pay them raises.

    Of course there will be exceptions, but this will be the main group of what you see.

    Now, CEO's and companies can afford to "float" a little bit when their yearly revenue gets cut by 40% in a bad year. These employees CERTAINLY will not. Try cutting someone's $70,000/year salary across the board when the guy used to make $65k/year before your little social(ist) experiment. See what he does. AND, try cutting the floor mopper's $70,000/year salary down to $50,000 for the year... see what happens then.

    This man is crippling the people who are in dead-end jobs, by saying to the new 19 year old kid "Oh hey, I know you've only developed 5% of your capability, and you're probably high-level manager material, but why don't you just stay there answering the phones and not develop yourself".

    AND, you're going to have the actual skilled people at that company who make say 65k now, looking around saying "why the hell am I busting my butt as a manager when I could just answer phones for 70k... screw it"

    I look forward to watching this one tank, right out of the book.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years ago
      He is founder and the company is privately held -- I went looking for info. He's got a really good growth rate and with this publicity he should be able to build up and cash out relatively soon.

      I did misread it the first time, his managers can make more than 70K, that's just what he's going to take and what he's going to establish at the low end.

      And, I agree with you, he's going to really mess with their lives.
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    • Posted by term2 9 years ago
      I agree totally. This guy is from Seattle- home of the ridiculous $15 minimum wage. He will either be bankrupt soon, or he will sell out to someone with more business sense.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years ago
    I was immediately wondering how his wife felt about Price's CEO price decision before I read that he is single.
    At least his income should shoo fly gold diggers
    I wish the dude the best of luck.
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  • Posted by believer83 9 years ago
    If more CEOs were like him, perhaps we would not see the bulk of our merchandise being imported from other companies and so many other companies outsourcing. For sure, this gentleman has ensured the loyalty of his employees. Definitely, a two-way street!
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