Mike, as soon as you start doing "adult" things like driving, drinking and killing, I have to throw the "Juvenile" out of the equation. This kid killed 2 people and paralyzed a third, and is getting off with it. I find that to be ridiculous and a travesty. Robert Heinlein had a good discussion of "Juvenile Delinquency" in Starship Troopers, which I think was pretty accurate. There should be no such thing. If you are olde enough to step into the adult world, then you are old enough for all of it. That is the problem with the whole juvenile system, it assumes they don't know any better. Then why are they allowed to do it?