you no longer can hold your own values in America
you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.
We have the freedom of association, which means we get to CHOOSE with whom we associate, by whatever criteria we CHOOSE.
When the government forces little black girls to travel for an hour (or more) to attend a school in an environment so hostile that National Guardsmen are required in the girls bathroom, when neither she nor her parents want her to attend this school, particularly as a new, superior school closer to home has been provided... yeah, that's riding roughshod over the Constitution.
If one truly believes, for example, that there is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet, you can't be really tolerant of other beliefs; you're right and everyone else is wrong... or vice versa. Doesn't mean you have to kill people who don't believe as you do, but it does require that you don't give other beliefs the same gravity as your own.
You're another one of the Humpty-Dumpty people, aren't you?
Oh, in America we treat folks equally. To deny another because of religion, sexuality, or many other reasons is simply unAmerican.
atheism properly defined means without a belief in god.
If it's a personal choice, the court would force women to serve rapists, blacks to serve KKK members and Republicans to serve Democrats… all cases of a self-selected group being served by those who abhor them.
But if being queer is a medical condition, then one has to wonder if the individual is having that condition treated? If an unbathed customer with oozing pustules and putrefying flesh brought on by their own failure to bathe, sought service in a restaurant - would the owner have to serve them? Keep in mind that the person has done nothing to correct their own unsanitary condition.
Clearly, if someone has an untreatable condition, or has sought treatment, discrimination is unwarranted. If someone has lost a limb, or is blind, there's nothing they can do about it. If they've sought treatment for a skin disease - to no avail - it only compounds their misery to deny service.
So have the queers sought treatment? Is research being done on a cure for being queer? Does Obamacare cover the cost of de-queering?
If you choose to be a bigot society will disapprove here in America.
Freedom, its a double edge sword. You have the freedom to make stupid choices, but you don't have the freedom to avoid the consequences.
You said money was taken out of your pocket.
How?
Fred
You are of course correct and my comment was directed more at the fact that the Constitution is being disregarded more every day. Of course since they are god given rights and the Atheist don't believe in god, one could argue that since they don't believe in god those rights don't exist for them either. Just joking.
Fred
Ciao.
And that's not bio 101... that's "facts of life" for a five-year-old's brain.
Ciao, again. Game over.
Ciao.
Furthermore, I would be happy to write you a civil union contract that will stand up in any court in the land, this land that is. As "uncommon sense" has tried to tell you, try and get married in any Muslim Mosque anywhere in the world. why is it that these protests are always directed at Christian and their churches in this nation of tolerance. that does not mean that everyone is as tolerant as you want them to be. On the other hand I seldom see tolerance exhibited by militant LGBT's and whatever other acronym you want to be known as. I would wager that you didn't loose your job as you claim because you are gay or whatever else you wish to be, but because of your militant attitude towards everyone.
Having written those words, I again wish you god speed and a happy and successful life. Perhaps you should try a little better and more lighthearted attitude. you can't change who and what you are, but you can keep it out of everyone's face at all times.
Fred
do we push things to the point of majority rules? cuz in the 1800s I think you'd be pretty disillusioned with the majority rules. there must be an objective standard and it must not include force for grievances that are not happening via force. YOUR perceived right can only exist separate from force. Meaning: a right is natural. you own yourself. BUT if you tell me I must support your views or lifestyle- that is something different. that is at the point of a gun you are telling me I have to agree with your view or lifestyle. OUTRAGEOUS! Gays, under the law, can hold any job, associate with whomever, live the exact same life as anyone else- legally. Marriage is governmental contract(which I abhor btw) that gives rights to one group over another-which you advocate all day long for as long as its your group-why won't you support my group (for argumentative purposes-I'm completely fine with gay marriage)..
Please don't try to confuse or conflate.
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