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A Short 56 Years Later....

Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” ~ Nikita Khrushchev, 1959


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  • Posted by Crushmore 9 years, 1 month ago
    Great post. Liberals can look right at this and still be in denial. It takes away from their fairness utopia model that exists in their brain.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
    I remember being taught in the public school system in Massachusetts in the 1960's that the twain shall meet in the middle. Russia will become more capitalistic and free and America will become more socialistic and controlled such that the two will be identical.

    That always bothered me. One of the many reasons I resolved to leave the east and go west - yes, as a young man. But now it's everywhere.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 1 month ago
    Hello khalling,
    It reminds me of this from an "American."
    Norman Thomas, the Socialist Party candidate for President of the U.S.

    The quote is from a speech he made in 1944.

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
    “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party… The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.”

    Norman Mattoon Thomas (November 20, 1884 to December 19, 1968) was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
    Interesting to see how world leaders outside of the US can be smarter than our supposed leaders. Socialism only leads to where Venezuela is now, and where Russia has been in 1990. Its pretty obvious, but politicians are power hungry and only feed off capitalism long enough to secure their power.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
    Well that's not entirely out of the question in my lifetime. We're already at a single party system of straight up left wing fascist socialists although I think much of it is a guise for neo-feudalism AKA return of the established ruling class. Communism or Nazi-ism to name both the International and National versions are just the extreme version of government control over citizens.

    We have the Protective Echelon in place and electronic block wardens. Not so far fetched a notion.

    To be safe just practice the salute and remember to say "We serve the party Comrade!"

    Me? Chuckle - I'll be dead by then or close to it. You'll find me buried in Bight ME comrade!
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
    Allow me to put in a word of cheer. "This, too, shall pass" is how it's worded. "Change is the only permanent thing" is another. However, I offer you a more tactile metaphor (this one's for Thor): The world is like a waterbed; push down in one place, someplace else goes up. We've gone down, China has gone up. We have sludgy socialism coalescing into the crud of communism, and China and Russia have millionaires busting out all over. Waterbed! We don't need to take any of it too seriously.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
      "We don't need to take any of it too seriously."
      My thought is we can take problems seriously without giving into paranoia. We can say that some problem, i.e. domestic violence, pollution, armed robbery, is less of a problem in our society than most in human hiistory and still take the problem very seriously.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
      yes, puzzlelady- ignore the signs. good plan A is A
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
        Sarcasm? What signs? I keep saying we've fallen into barbarism and a new Dark Ages. It's another case of seeing the splinter in the other's eye and denying the log in our own. Yes, A is A, and that requires intellectual honesty enough not to resort to self-delusion and denial of the wrong-doings of the Obama administration. There is no facile way to sort out the entangled mess of all the convoluted motivations and groups. No single group is clean and beyond reproach. Strange bedfellows have emerged. These little text boxes are not really big enough for substantive discussions. There are no instant fixes.
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        • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
          What signs? The twin towers. The pentagon. The innocent dead in Pennsylvania. Boston. The idiot that set his shorts on fire in the commercial airline (which we should have not given medical care to) and the same for the fool with the hotfoot on another. Isn’t there a common thread that connects all of them?

          Recognizing Obamas failures isn't going to help now. It's too late for that. The match is already on the fuse and we'd better put it out before the bomb explodes.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
          I am happy to discuss the US's middle east aggression, but remind me again, why we are discussing it on THIS post? I did not suggest in any way that I wanted us to go to war with Russia. I'm assuming that's what you thought? frankly, I'm not sure- except about the paranoia part, I'm pretty sure you called me paranoid in posting the actual words of a former Russian President/dictator take your pick.and yes, the Ayn Rand memes have been quite successful. I have gotten FB "friends" to share them who, as far as I know, know little about her work. Her words resonate, perhaps plant a seed.
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    • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 1 month ago
      ?? like the Dark Ages?
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
        We're all heading straight into them. As I said, paranoia is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Both sides are barbaric. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/...
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        • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
          That's all real nice PC. I guess we're supposed to paint a sign on the non combatants so we’re sure to not get them with the drones and feel sorry for them if we do. I wonder how much problem the Boston bombers went to in identifying the combatants they killed. Let’s not mention the young boy that just shot a man in the head. We’re fighting rabid animals. Where were the names of the 3,000 murdered in the twin towers attack? General Schwarzkopf had it right when he said that the job of the Army is to kill people and break things.
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          • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
            We're killing hundreds of thousands of people who had nothing to do with 9/11. So when those people whose families we're killing and whose lands we are destroying dare to fight back, they are rabid animals?

            We're visiting collective punishment on potentially every Muslim or Arab in the Middle East, which borders on genocide. Those people are defending themselves and their homeland, and we are the invaders on their land.

            The violence just keeps escalating. Are you, too, proposing to wipe them all out? And how will you retbuild an enlightened civilization from there?
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            • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
              I'd like to see the proof source that we are killing hundreds of thousands of people that had nothing to do with 9/11. There’s no doubt that many (hundreds?) are being killed that had nothing to do with 9/11 but what are we to do? Just chart the goal of their countrymen to destroying our county up to “feces occurs”?

              How much did the 3,000 dead in the twin towers or wounded and dead in Boston have to do with anything? How many more dead will we be counting when (and if) their sleeper cells come out in force?

              Germany had the United States in its site in WW II, so we had to go to Europe and help stop them before we had to start learning German. The same for Japan and the Pacific. Where’s the outrage now for the innocents in Syria, Egypt et al.?

              There’s no question that war is a terrible answer to any problem, but when has talking about it ever done any good? We’ve been talking to Iran for tens of years and they are still running thousands of centrifuges so they can get a purity of uranium or plutonium to make atomic weapons. How many innocents will die if they succeed?

              Fighting a war needs an end game and that should be to insure that the enemy has no desire or way to continue their aggression or to retaliate. Contrary to POTUS who has less knowledge of war than a two year old, we need boots on the ground. They will find it easier to identify and not kill the non combatants. The innocents in the nations that are spawning this slime need to stand up and stop their goal of wiping out the United States and Israel and killing thousands of Christens in the mid east or face the danger from the countries fighting them which includes the United States.

              The nay sayers in this country forced our withdrawal from Iraq. How many dead innocents do they have there now because we did? Because we pulled back from fighting Al Qaeda we gave Isis time to grow to the power they now have.

              When we destroy the enemy then we can worry about rebuilding an "enlightened civilization". The world has been fighting Islam for hundreds of years. It’s time to put a permanent end to their aggression.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
              "Those people are defending themselves and their homeland, and we are the invaders on their land. "
              As Pat Buchanan says, they're not fighting us because we're so free and good. They're fighting us because we are there.

              If we must be at war as long as there are some bands of criminals out there, the list of dragons to slay abroad will never end.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
          it is not paranoia to recognize the philosophical dangers of socialism. This post was not a pro-war post, it's a reminder. There are lots of people out there, that though are not Objectivist in their thinking, would be surprised to find out we may actually be more socialist in practice than some European nations long known for socialist governments. It is not paranoia to relect on the shift in thinking of modern universities compared to when even my parents were in college and certainly from the early 30s. this is a war of ideas . Consider sharing your article link in a separate post, I don't see its relevance here.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
          your link is nonsensical. A is A. Show me that communism does not have a stranglehold on the US. Your unwillingness to recognize such and shift to ad hominem shows you do not have an argument
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          • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
            I am not disputing that the U.S. government has succumbed to socialist/communist ideology. I am faulting the concomitant endless wars on fraudulent grounds and atrocities the U.S. commits, justifying them by blaming their victims for fighting back. How is Glenn Greenwald's article nonsensical? What ad hominem? We need full context.
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            • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
              And your solution would be what? Everyone refuse to join our military and run to Sweden? So long as half of the country is on the dole, not much is going to change for the better. I don't have much good to say about Slick Willie, but he has it right about welfare. It's become a way of life for far too many.

              When will be have a new queen bee and what will the rest of the hive do when she fly's away with the drones to start a new hive?
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