But how to force the congress to vote themselves out of a job?

With out education system and the lack of attention and learning that we have, how many realize that socialism sounds good but has been proven to be a failure every time it is tried?

Surely you are speaking of Slick Willie.

We can hope but how many even know of this place much less read a big book with no pictures? Notice that there are many of the same people that come here to comment. We have a small population taking part.

And reports the facts. We just saw the New York Times abuse the power of the press by removing Bush from the picture of the march celebrating the great march lead by Dr, King.

I recently read someone ask what is it about California that causes them to elect crazy women.

Meaning only the wealthy have any real power.

Nicely described.

You might say that the country is virtually insane as they are trying, or going to try, the same thing again and expect a different outcome.

Voting is a right but it takes work to have it accomplish what it is to be used for. Someone important (I forget who) said that the greatest mistake happened when people learned that they could give themselves money (not exactly right but the idea is there. Maybe someone can put down the exact warning). I think another great mistake was made when we allowed politics to become a profitable lifetime job.

The failure we are experiencing, hopefully temporary for X time, is our congress. They have given away much of their powers and ignore or refuse to use what powers they have left. Where in the world does the constitution give congress the power or authority to demand a certain type of light bulb or toilet? I'm not saying that these are bad ideas, I just don't see congress getting into such things. Where is this using their co-equal powers? The marketplace will gravitate to a better product without pushing by congress.

Admittedly, I would have been an anti-federalist. Nonetheless, Ben Franklin was right when he said that he had given us a republic ... if we could keep it. We haven't.

The Founders got the best form of government that they could agree upon. Admittedly, less government would be better, but they came up with the best form of government ever known to exist.

Standard of living is one form of freedom. The standard of living in the 1980's (and even perhaps the 1990's) was the highest ever experienced in any society. By that standard, America's republican form of government made a difference. Certainly we could do better in a Gulch society, but I think that a Gulch society is not scalable to hundreds of millions of people. The number of looters prevents that.

Someone needs to devise a way that we all have a say. Does anyone out there have an answer?

You got it. The worst fact of that situation is that we are actually "voting" for those to "rule" us!

Ah... yes, I believe I am following you now.
Of course... it is the politburo that choose the candidates from which we may choose. Some choice! :(

I oft refer to "vote2012" in which the political monopoly offered up a horrid duo to choose from, yet 98% voted for one, or the other. Those 98% are that "who".

The ones I detest the most are those for whom I have no say in their being elected. I don't live in California - how can I prevent Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer from being elected? I don't live in Nevada, so how can I prevent Harry Reid from being elected?

Is it not possible for a free society without government to have the rule of law? Free people are capable of making clear and logical decisions, even re crimes.

I think that those who regularly don't vote could be considered a good thing because they probably are completely without knowledge about anything political. I have friends who view politics too dirty to sully themselves with learning more about what is going on.

What truly amazes me is the consistency with which our elected officials don't seem to have any respect for any of the good warnings our forefathers gave us. Goes to show you that power corrupts, and that corruption is contagious.

This week I have spent my spare moments following the links in

Thorner: Jeb Bush embraces New World Order; Common Core provides global education - Illinois Review http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illino...
(Thank you, again, for that one, UncommonSense.)

Brilliant: 6.5 Million Social Security Numbers Exist for People Over the Age of 112 ObjectiveAnalyst
I did not follow the audit link to validate this, but the headline is probably not far off the mark.

Cumulatively, along with the welfare programs, indoctrination through the education system, not just the public system, and other incremental brain washing schemes…

‘HOW’ these people keep getting elected is weighted against us.

With sites like Galt’s Gultch we hope to shift that weight.

“I think that future historians will look at the record and point to our current era and say” … [They didn’t learn from the Romans – welfare to buy the mob. At least the Romans had neural deficits from lead poisoning as part of their excuse for the dumbing down]

Hello DeanStriker,
I quite agree on who has the power of force and that these things could not happen without it, but the question that was posed, was, who elects these people?... I also agree that what the government does is out and out theft.
Carpe diem,
O.A.

On the Article V thing, let's face it. People have been tinkering with the ways to make governments of force somehow better, and ALWAYS they have FAILED. To Govern means to Force, you know. So this planet is divied up into "nations" for the express purpose of herding "citizens" of common languages and traditions within "borders", then to wage "wars" in the name of "defense". All this can indeed serve only to deny man's individual sovereignty/sanctity and to designate "Rulers" who can, and do, sacrifice Man's very Right to Life.

So our Rulers provide that we shall worship the "rule of law" (theirs!) and other gods, and rant about "patriotism", oh my! Yet these Rulers are the very same human beings as ourselves, but who are somehow allowed the powers of Force which are prohibited to the "subjects".

Yet truth and rationality are not required -- go figger!