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Comeback of the Gold Standard?

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 1 month ago to Legislation
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And I would note that this Representative actually understands the rationale! Thinking for the win!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
    The problem is that the federal government will require all citizens to turn in their gold under penalty of jail at a lower price than the price that gold will be fixed at- assuming a resumption of the gold standard. This sounds strange, but it already happened under FDR's directive to keep citizens from getting "windfall profits" from holding gold while the feds printed money.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 1 month ago
      That history repeating itself is very possible with a presidebt like Oblamer, Teflon Killary or Heap Big Bogus Part Indian Chief Woo-woo-woo-warren in office.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 1 month ago
      FDR declared a bank holiday, then sent the National Guard in to open all the safe-deposit boxes. The lesson to be learned is not to store your gold there.
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      • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
        Fdr. Was BAD. He violated private property and didn't end the depression. It was WW2 that did it
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 1 month ago
          Actually, wars can only destroy productivity - not create it. You are unwittingly echoing liberal economics. It is also of note that liberals consider soldiers "employees", but they are solely in the business of destruction - not creation.

          What ended the depression was that all of a sudden there were a bunch of markets for whom the US suddenly became the only viable supplier. Britain needed war materials but were being bombed out of the war by Germany. And at that point they were the largest (land mass) nation in the world due to all their foreign holdings (India, Africa, etc.) Also, American businesses internally began figuring out better ways of doing things. Now the war did bring innovations like super-absorbent cotton and many others, but their private-sector uses spurred innovation in business.
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          • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
            I would disagree that wars can only destroy productivity. When the printed money put into circulation by FDR put all kinds of people to work, the depression ended. One can argue that making bombs is not productive, but to get rid of Hitler and the Japanese threat it was needed and justified. The cold war with Russia was a complete waste of resources and efforts I would agree. There was no winner or loser.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
              Can't agree with your version of history, term2. FDR's socialist actions did little to benefit in the short term and immense harm in the long term. WW2 spending put people back to work (ending the depression because the banksters would expand credit again guaranteed riskless for banks by governments) and helped to destroy enough property in Europe and Asia so the US manufacturers had virtually no competition by 1946. That led to US dominance for 25 years until the oil price shocks of the 70s, and an immense expansion of debt which of course benefited only the banksters. If the banksters who crashed the US economy causing the depression had not funded the Nazi movement, WW2's destruction would not have been necessary, and likely neither would have the cold war or the policies of mutually assured destruction. War does create new technology, but there are much more productive ways. Unfortunately the banksters only care about greater power and wealth for themselves without any regard for how many die or are maimed or how many productive assets are destroyed.
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              • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                I agree the bank people along with the federal reserve were to blame. BUT that said, what else could we have done with Hitler and Japan bent on taking over the world (and us). By winning that war, and taking advantage of the destruction of Europe that resulted, we paid back the national debt incurred during the war. I am not sure what the alternatives would have been, other than being taken over by the Nazis. FDR was very bad indeed. He confiscated private gold in 1934, and ushered in a lot of socialist things (which didnt help get out of the depression at all). Going back a bit, with no Federal Reserve, we would never have had the depression in the first place.
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  • Posted by salta 9 years, 1 month ago
    This is a great development.
    But there is something deeply troubling when each and every state will have to pass similar legislation, to protect its citizens from the federal money monopoly.
    Bizarro World!
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
    Each person can be on the gold standard by immediately converting their excess paper dollars not needed for current expenses into gold- QUIETLY AND SECRETLY. Keeping it for the time when dollars sink like the russian ruble.
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  • Posted by ISank 9 years, 1 month ago
    Seriously love the idea, maybe it's time to build that Sedona get away. Bravo Arizona, freedom loving people around the country are shedding a tear of joy. Well pass the thing and I'll get verclemp, and consider enjoying some Arizona currency.

    Have some fun!
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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
    Didn't Utah recently do the same thing? Maybe there are differences, not sure, must research. A topic near and dear to this Nevada gold miner.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 1 month ago
    It's a wonderful idea; I don't know if it will succeed in getting around the CG tax - we all know the looters in DC will try everything to skim what they can off whatever they can, and will fight any attempt to keep them from getting their cut of the action. I also (sadly) expect a lot of pushback and lobbying for nullification by the (grossly-over)Fed... After all, anyone who can successfully bypass their FRN manipulation and looting --and-- get away with it will signal the beginning of the end for the whale... by gum, cut off their fedfood supply, they might just starve to death... (hee hee hee)
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
      So, 'splain to me in simple words and short sentences, please: If I buy Small Amounts of gold at any one time (and if small amounts are not reported to the gov) then when I buy a cow with gold...how is anyone to know 'when' I bought that gold or 'what' the Capital Gains tax on it would be?

      Jan
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      • Posted by PeterAsher 9 years, 1 month ago
        By “Law”, (exempted at the State level by such a bill as this) the dollar value of the cow at that days market is the dollar value of the gold that you traded it for. Any of that value in excess of the dollar amount you paid for the gold used is CG to be declared.
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        • Posted by PeterAsher 9 years, 1 month ago
          A gold and/or silver Standard, has the currency pegged to a measurement of metal and is/would be redeemable on demand.

          What Arizona and Utah are about is gold being allowed to be used as direct method of payment. In this case the buyer and seller may or may not use the dollar value of their trade to determine the amount.

          I wrote an essay on this 15 years ago which was well received on the major gold forums at that time. I’ll find it and post it as a new article. Its title is “Free Gold.”
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 1 month ago
        It's a very valid point - right now. When bypassing fiat becomes a threat to the established FRN system, I can see the dotgov changing the rules, possibly by executive order, making all purchases of Au or AG reportable, in any quantity. Federal Dictator Roosevelt set the example by outlawing the possession of gold (with minor exceptions) in the early 30's; if you think they wouldn't try a sneak attack of this manner again, you may be betting on a lame horse...

        It won't be a threat to them unless and until the idea of bypassing their money-changer game is embraced en-masse; if that should happen, I expect to see changes the likes of which make our present loss of freedom and liberty pale in comparison.

        Or simply - At present there are no issues. When the fed pressures the PTB into "executive action" to restrict or outlaw Au & Ag, then we either become sheep or outlaws.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years, 1 month ago
    It's certainly a good start...and Arizona appears to be on a roll. I see in another very recent posting that they voted to nullify Common Core...

    I wonder if the Feds, or The Fed, will try to do anything about it? Not sure what...but I'd like to see a good dust=up over the gold standard...long overdue...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
    Add to that the phrase full faith and credit in which their is little faith and no credit. The phrase is borrowed from Article Four of the Constitution and refers to each State - notice the Capitol S - honoring the laws of the other States. First twelve now 49 for a total of fifty. It has nothing to do in it's constitutional genesis with anything of a particularly financial nature including that of the federal government. Consequently if you have no faith in the credit of the federal government - which of course has not credit having gone bankrupt on a regular basis and which same openly intends to keep doing so - .you are not wrong but what is the practical outcome?

    There is no coinage. Coins were replaced around 1963 or so with tokens. One has an intrinsic value or value unto itself. The other is ''plastic." The value is assigned and changes hundreds of times an hour. Value meaning it's ability to buy certain like items at a like price. Which leads us to the gold standard. One ounce of gold is 300 or was it 350 loaves of bread since the time of Egypt and Babylonia. It is a true measure of worth. Right now and on average about $3.50 to $4.00 US. Do the math with the average cost of the average loaf and it should come out at the current real market value of gold when multiplied by the requisite number of loaves. That is the only true standard and only if gold is honestly valued. If so then tokens such as magnetic notations of the numbers zero and one are fine with me. BUT ask for the amount of gold belonging to the US Government - any almanac will do - and the answer is around one million ounces at $40 some dollars an ounce. THAT is ALL the credit the US has. Which curiously enough matches up with the true devaluation of the buying power of the US Dollar and the worth of the national debt - of interest only to those stupid enough to buy T Bills and Savings Bonds. Skip the part about percentage of GNP and ask ask what is Net National Product after debt service is added to the Cost of Living Allowances?

    Difficult to understand? Of course. Óh what a web we weave when first we practice to deceive. It's meant to be that way.

    Enough of that what does it mean in practical terms? Grandpa and Grandma, not ten or twenty generations down the line, but right now are finding their retirement fund is worth diddly squat. Your generation is next. In your face. Still going to support the Government Party who values their claimed gold hoardings at $40 something an ounce. How about if they claim true market value? Damn! It's only ten percent of the national debt. You call that credit? I call that a scam, a hoax, a rip off .So much for credit what about faith.

    The only faith is the realization if that little kid shouts out ''The Emperor has no clothes" the whole house of cards comes tumbling down including your current retirement.

    Easy answer. Keep pretending until your dead then it becomes the Generation X Plus Y = Zero''s problem. You won't be alive - but their memory of you will unless the charade parade is still continuing. In my day they called it an Ponzi Scheme. That is your answer.

    Arizona is doing the right thing. As long as they are allowed to keep shouting "The Emperor has no clothes."

    (T Bills have one useful purpose. They pay off no matter how many minus the devaluation percentage which is a helluva lot more than the FDIC pay off of $250,000 per customer no matter how many accounts are affected. But to follow that line means you already now the US has no full faith and credit.)
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 1 month ago
    I like a "metals" standard, with locked-in values. IE: 50 ounces of silver = 1 ounce of gold (troy ounces)
    20 avoirdupois ounces of copper = 1 troy ounce of silver I would suggest that "Trade Units" be used as the terminology instead of "dollars". If they come to collect any if it, melt it into something nice, and call it something other than the metal that it is. Just remember, the world bankers have been manipulating economies since the dark ages. What makes you think that these elitists will ever give up trying to steal everyone else's productivity? Find a way to stop giving it to them! Bravo Arizona! I hope Texas follows your lead!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    Lest we forget: Paper Money is just paper. Pretty fancy paper, yes, but still just paper. It was once a promise to be redeemable in gold or silver. Now, I'm not sure what it is redeemable in, other than -- you guessed it, just paper. The USAs word is no longer as trusted as it once was, so using its currency as the world standard is becoming more questionable every day. This means that all other discussion of American money means very little until such time as the full faith and credit of the USA is firmed up to where it was many years ago.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 1 month ago
    I like the idea of trading in things of real value (such as precious-metal coins, although silver will probably be more useful than gold for the purpose). But why ask the government to provide you with those coins? Private sources will do a better job -- and having them not recognized as official money means that our tax bills will continue to be payable in junk that goes down in value daily. I like that.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 1 month ago
    Has anyone done an audit of how much noble metal is in possession of the U.S. government? I'm skeptical that most of the gold, silver, platinum, and copper hasn't already been quietly dumped, and is in possession of the Saudis.
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