Everyone is a minority.

"...marry someone of the same sex... "

Or give live birth to an egg...

What's "foreign" about universal health care? Last I heard Vermont is still a part of the good old USA.

Ohhhhh, now we are a "democracy" and not a republic?

Sheesh, why can't you get things straight and keep 'em that way?

" Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence. "

-= Alexander Hamilton - Pacificus, No. 6, July 17, 1793 (See Article 2, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States of America).

Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers: "We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy...it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."

I'll stick around Hiraghm. I rather like watching extremists who want to let people die rather than help them be defeated.

That's what America is about. Helping others.

But then society would come to a halt.

It wouldn't be America anymore.

Yup, in America you apparently want to let them die.

I wonder what a right wing pro-lifer would say about that.

Yup, let 'em die.

How American of you (not).

"Although I'd bet you military doctors are NOT the most skilled and capable doctors available."

Really? I relied upon them for four years and I thought they were great.

"And even the Constitution prevents the federal government from having a standing army... legally."

Missed that one. Gonna have to show me a quote on that one.

Guess Hawaii isn't a part of the United States anymore. Or is it? I seem to have missed the memo.

No it is not, and that is not what the Founding Fathers set up.

They gave us a *republic*, not a democracy. They wisely disliked democracy.

If the end of slavery was good, then why do you want to return to it?

more remedial education for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIc...

Ah, so in your book anything goes without question as long as you are committed to it.

So, what do you think of someone who advocates for cannibalism in America today isn't an extremist? I'll bet they can produce a lot of passion for it if they want.

And yes, if you are willing to let someone die because of your own personal greed I think you are an extremist. Of course that's my opinion. If you are different that that please explain.

It is slavery to support the will of 'society' when that will is not MY will. It is slavery to take from me and cause me hardship for the benefit of another.

That I don't fit in... where? In a socialist paradise? You're right there. Fortunately, the U.S. isn't such... yet.

It doesn't scare me. It outrages me. Slavery always does.

We know how it will turn out; it will turn out badly. Slave states always do.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I did not falsify your position, unless your own words are a false expression of your position.

You favor government controlled healthcare; you have expressed as much here in this argument. You have referenced the socialist paradises of Europe, the socialist paradises which have "universal health care" (which is a bullshit term, but it's yours so we'll use it).

Sorry, you're hung on your *own* petard, not one of my construction.

What makes you conclude I care about myself and mine, at all? You assume as much. As far as you know, I may be a complete nihilist.

I choose to be consistent, to borrow from Hank Rearden. I oppose slavery. I will not change my opposition to slavery simply because it may cost a would-be slave owner his life.

No Hiraghm, you don't get to win your discussion by falsifying my position.

YOU don't get to define me.

But, you have said, "let them die" so it's clear you don't care about anyone but yourself and yours.

Found it, I think:

"If an uncompromising stand is to be smeared as 'extremism,' then that smear is directed at any devotion to values, any loyalty to principles, any profound conviction, any consistency, any steadfastness, any passion, any dedication to an unbreached, inviolate truth -- any man of integrity."
http://aynrandlexicon.com/ayn-rand-works...

Ain't slavery to pay taxes to support the will of society.

Did you ever think that you just don't fit in? I could fully understand that.

Yes, running the experiment in universal health care in America sure seems to scare you.

But, we'll see how it turns out.

"SLAVERY shouldn't be running medicine."

Is it "slavery" to pay for the common good with roads?

Is it "slavery" to pay for the common good with armies?

Is it "slavery" to pay for infrastructure like clean water, etc.?

Clue: Don't tell anyone at Shriner's Hospitals that there isn't enough incentive for quality care.

Another clue: Don't tell any military doctors that they don't have enough incentive.

Oh no?

You're the one touting countries with socialized medicine, those socialist paradises, as examples of how we should change, not me.

I ain't making anything up. For my statement to be absolutely false, you would have to oppose single-payer, socialized medicine, or "universal health care" or whatever leftist euphemism you care to use for government controlled and run health care. Which would be a complete and total reversal of your position to date.

But it is a debate. America is a representative democracy. That's the way the Founding Fathers set it up.

And yes, change is sometimes good. The end of slavery, women voting...