We WILL find out how it works

Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 5 months ago to Government
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Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.

For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...


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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And of course it states "the pursuit of happiness". Not "happiness". One does have the right to seek happiness in any way one is able. Results are not guaranteed.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >"There is no cronyism without govt." I have to disagree. Nepotism is a form of cronyism, as are kickbacks, both of which occur irrespective of government.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll agree that it didn't guarantee rights, but it did identify "inalienable rights." Or that the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are inherent in being a human being and thus cannot be bestowed nor should they be inhibited.
    After that, then, the DofI goes on to state all the ways that King George and England in general had in fact been taking those rights away.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land, though I have seen it cited by some as if it is. The DOI is merely an elegantly-worded thumbed nose at King George. It does not establish or guarantee any "rights" to anyone. That was where the article went wrong, which I thought was implicit in my earlier remarks.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The DofI did not "create" any rights, it merely presented that they exist (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness), and then listed the grievances against King George as to how England was not allowing those to be fulfilled.
    Rights, as correctly stated, are "inalienable" and are not granted by anyone or anything.
    One cannot extrapolate from those rights the requisite means to achieve them. That is up to the individual. What the DofI stated was that everyone has a right to their life and liberty and it cannot be taken away capriciously. That you have a right to pursue your happiness, but are not guaranteed that you will achieve it.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't take "non-profit" as meaning that they don't make money. They merely don't sell stock and declare for their tax status they are not seeking to make profit - but most all do otherwise they would not continue to exist. Biggest scam going is to be a "non-profit." You make all the money you want and don't pay taxes on it.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was a specific and intentional effort to turn Vermont Blue. It was small enough that if the lefties could get enough of their kind to move their they could change the politics. Seems to have been a successful experiment.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, I see censorship is manifest again.

    What is it about folks who subscribe to a pure point of view can't stand about a little challenge? Are their positions that weak they can't take any criticism?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago
    Ain't a "baby" unless the woman thinks of it as such. Even if she does she can still abort it if she wants to.

    That's the way freedom works in America.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The first two in the series, which I've read, are about an inch and a half thick in hardcover... long, but imaginative reads. Enjoy!
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. Just like you didn't "volunteer" if an invited guest for a party decides to stay in your house for 9 months and demands food, medical care, and shelter from you. And, offers nothing in return.

    How long will you let them stay in your house before you shoot them?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No.

    The fact is that she existed without god.

    I don't need to explain the fact that she existed without god.

    You certainly aren't denying it, are you?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh well.... Same sex couples are still getting married all over America.

    Women are still making their own decisions about abortion, etc.

    Ain't American GREAT!
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So?

    That doesn't reduce the horrors from religion even a little bit.

    Both are wrong.

    When a collectivist comes 'round here wearing that on his sleeve I'll also nail him and his hypocrisy.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And same sex couples are still getting married.

    Women are still making their own decisions about abortion.

    And in Oregon folks can discuss all end of life options with their doctor.

    Ain't America GREAT!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She volunteered when she took the penis into her body.

    Which is an irrelevancy. If you are in my car hanging over a bridge, and the only thing preventing you from plunging to your death is my seatbelt, it's murder if I cut it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually same sex couples are getting married all over America.

    You aren't inflicting your version of morality upon anyone except those who choose.

    Ain't America great!
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You can define yourself as a race horse.
    Don't expect real horses to respect your definition.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The greatest and most widespread horrors of the modern world have been perpetrated not by Abrahamic religions, but by collectivists.

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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. I spent 4 years in the USN. Great care all around.

    My father spent the last year of his life in a VA hospital. The care was excellent.
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