What's a Democrat? Good question

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What's in a name? Would any other flower named Democrat smell as ... (pardons to Shakespeare)

The real problem Democrats have is that they're not even Democrats anymore - they're socialists.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 2 months ago
    A Democrat is someone who doesn't belong in the Gulch ... period.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago
      Do not lump them all together jb. There are democrats who did very good things for the country, mainly in acting as the go between between far left and far right. Jim Webb appears to be in the old Southern Democrat position, for one. Also they enable Ronald Regan to make a lot of the changes he was able to get through. Your statement is very true of the majority of today's Pelosi criminal types, Obamanation sycophants and special interest grubbing "hate speeching" button pushers. I would also say that the Gulch is not amenable to most republicans of today either, they are just as likely to do violence and steal and loot to support their own special interests as well. The Gulch is most amenable to an independent and some libertarians of today I think. The problem with most political parties today is they try to morph to be all to all comers, and will promise the moon to all of them and never deliver, then try to suck them back in with "but next time". And most voters fall for it. That is probably why we do not have a strong 3rd party.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 2 months ago
        There is not a single Democrat today worth voting for, including Jim Webb. They all voted for Obama's agenda, despite their protestations of being moderates. The last Democrat I could have voted for was JFK, and he was dead before I was born. Andrew Jackson was a good Democrat. Today's Democrats have more in common with the USSR than the USA.
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  • Posted by 20001390863476885012326 9 years, 2 months ago
    I am a retailer so I work with many different people. It amazes me what my democratic clients say and the irrational reasons for them. At times the delusion is so great that I am floored. I just stop and remember that a lot of babies must have been dropped on their heads early in life. I vote for more strict safety standard for the young. Like each family is supplied with a hard hats for all members all the time. Well off my soapbox.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 9 years, 2 months ago
    I don’t even know where to begin, but two things jump out.

    First: “The problems are not with the "party's core beliefs...". Really? With the shoving of ObamaCare up our...er, I mean down our throats, and before the 2014 midterms listening to some Dems defend it and watching others run like hell from it, I think the public has a pretty good idea of what the party’s core beliefs are. And the public wasn’t impressed. So they solidified the Republicans’ hold on the House and gave them control of the Senate.

    Second: “Democrats lack a ‘cohesive narrative’ and need to find ways to help their party explain bedrock values such as fairness, equality and opportunity.”

    Let’s look at those in order.

    The government steals about 1/3 of the income I earn every 2 weeks, wasting some of it, and giving a bunch more of it to people who haven’t earned it. And the more I earn, the higher that stolen percentage becomes. Just how in the hell is that fair to me? Why doesn’t something have to be fair TO ALL PARTIES before it can be defined as “fair”?

    And I have no earthly idea how anyone would define equality. It’s another one of those nebulous, cloud-like subjective terms that Dems love to throw around.

    Would I expect two equally qualified, skilled and experienced craftsmen doing the same jobs get paid an equal salary? Maybe, if they were working for the same company in the same location.

    But what if one of them was earning $85,000 by doing it in Los Angeles or Chicago or New York City, and the other was earning $50,000 by doing it in Seymour, Indiana? If their salaries in relation to their cost of living bought them the same things, and they both had comparable houses, cars, etc., wouldn’t you say that they’re being paid equally even though one is making almost twice what the other one is?

    And I think the only opportunity that Dems/Progs/Libs/Socialists love is an opportunity to expand government. I truly think liberalism/progressivism is a disease. I’m a conservative; if I don’t like a particular restaurant, I won’t eat there. But if a liberal doesn’t like that restaurant, then he thinks nobody should be able to eat there. I mean, if he doesn’t like it, then nobody else can like it either, can they?

    There is something so sickeningly condescending about liberals. Yeah, I know I’m making a generalization. But I think it's a safe and fair generalization. As a group, they really think they know what’s best for not only themselves, but also for me, and for everyone else.

    Sorry. Took me this look to find my “off” button.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 2 months ago
      The Dems are just a coalition of misfit toys... Tree huggers, unions, green-energy, the auto unions, guilty-feeling celebrities, etc. This is why their conventions dissolve into angry mobs - how do you reconcile the Sierra Club with the Teamsters? Most of the candidates are liars by nature because they have to get votes from each of the 3 dozen dysfunctional groups and usually is a different answer to the same question from each of them.

      Conservatives, while different from each other, share common core belief of limited government. Developing a platform is not difficult, because there isn't a lot of variation of core belief.
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    • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 2 months ago
      (Second: “Democrats lack a ‘cohesive narrative’ )
      They have a VERY cohesive narrative, and it resonates with the People. Here is another quote from 200+ years ago.

      ""A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship...."

      The Democrats have a very cohesive narrative. Entitlement and FREE stuff from the public treasury. The looters push this narrative, the moochers who now outnumber the producers, keep voting this.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago
      Nice, kind of reminds me of Robert Heinlein's definition of value in Starship Troopers, where he compares how a highly skilled chef can take a pile of apples and dough, already of value, and turn it into a confection of great value, and an incompetent boob can take the same material and make an inedible mess, value 0. What one politician wants to take and give to someone else and has "value" and is "fair" is rarely constant. I absolutely agree that our current system is systemically "unfair" in that it steals from those who work, and gives to those who do not. Social Security is a great example, they took a huge sum over the last 45 years of my life, and then promptly stole it to do what they wanted, and gave me a bunch of worthless IOUs. If I did it, it would be "theft", I just waded through taxes, and the damn Obama Care thing is finding it's way into everything, funny though, they just ask if you had healthcare, and if you are stupid enough to say "no" they take a bunch more money. Obviously, the correct answer is always "yes". Morons, I tell you, they are all Morons.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 2 months ago
    A Utopian that believes in majority rule and government solutions, devoid of sufficient understanding of human nature and divergent interests. They have never comprehended the fact that we were founded as a Republic and why. They have no compunctions about mob rule so long as they belong to the mob. They don't usually even understand the relationship between being a Democrat and its support of democracy, let alone the history of the tyranny of democracies (tyranny of the majority as a concept is beyond them or their concern). They will only awaken when it is their ox that is being gored; if even then. They are mostly blind followers looking for what someone can do for them. They are not usually good leaders since they seem incapable of deep thought and concern for unintended consequences and discard out of hand facts contrary to their aspirations.
    "Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." James Madison, Federalist Papers No. 10 (1787).
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Ben Franklin
    We have lost the Republic. The question is: Can we find it again?
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 2 months ago
    At the recommendation of a fellow Gulcher I read "The Forgotten Man." This text clearly defines the history of the transformation of the Democratic party into the socilaist party it is today. There was a road trip by many of the soon to be adminstrative people to visit Stalin in Russia prior to the election of Roosevelt. Hmmm, can't find this in Common Core history textbooks.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 2 months ago
    "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."
    A Democrat is one who believes this.

    “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin
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    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 2 months ago
      Which is why we have a Republic... but unfortunately... too many years of mob-rule at this point.
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      • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 2 months ago
        NUMBER: 1593
        AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
        QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

        “A Republic, if you can keep it.”
        ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

        It is apparent that after 227 years we have been unable to "keep it."
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago
          Excellent point! And we have failed to keep it because they have figured out how to lie cheat and steal and the majority of the voters just respond to emotional stimulus. Common Core is the next step to the toala reduction of the voting public so they can continue to consolidate their ill gotten gains.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 years, 2 months ago
    We tend to compartmentalize people on both sides. All Democrats are bad for instance. But this ignores the bigger subject. First we are all Americans, and I don’t doubt that if our country was invaded, everyone on all sides (except the pacifist who are also on both sides) would defend this country. I certainly disagree with the philosophy of most Democrats, and they certainly don’t belong in the Gulch. I recall reading about how 54 Democratic Senators attempted to rewrite our first Amendment. Not one stepped out of the lock-step to say this is wrong. We all here in Galt’s Gulch recognize that our Bill of Rights are sacrosanct. Some say that they were created by God, and while I don’t believe in a higher power, these rights should be considered untouchable. There are some good people who vote Democratic, and I prefer to treat them as misguided, not bad people. I support abortion (a left wing idea), but that doesn’t make me a Democrat, because the vast majority of their philosophy is anathema to me. My reasoning on Abortion is strictly right wing (keep the government out of my body, it is not their right to tell me what I can do with our bodies). We can respectively disagree with their philosophy, and definitely keep them out of the Gulch, because they don’t belong there.
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  • Posted by samrigel 9 years, 2 months ago
    The Democrats have been co-oped by Progressives. The last true Democrat that I remember would have been JFK! However, that is not to lay favor to the Republicans!
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 2 months ago
    How could anyone possibly like to even be around people like Wasserman Schultz? She is one nasty (person). The nasty garbage and meaningless rhetoric that comes out of her mouth is what this country is coming to. I would be embarrassed to even know her. I hope the American people put their smarts on when they vote in 2016. It's time for a change, perhaps a government reset button that works.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    It's easier to point out what a Democrat is not. Once you understand the following point, everything else falls into place and all that changes are the descriptive nouns. "A Democrat has core values and makes proposals without any regard to collateral damage." That's really al you need to know. I have never been made aware of any Democratic sponsored idea that was not screwed up somewhere either down the road or immediately upon implementation. At least with Republicans, one or two of their proposals, ideas or laws make some sense every now and then.
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    • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 2 months ago
      I think that definition is equally applicable to Republicans.
      Democrats try to use government to "fix" domestic "problems" and Republicans try to use government to "fix" international "problems".
      Neither side can understand the fact that they create more problems than they solve...and spend US producers to death in the process, hence killing the goose that lays the golden egg of freedom.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 2 months ago
    While reading the article, I regarded a "lack of a cohesive narrative" as being the problem about the "core principles" of the Dem the control freaks party with a curled lip.
    It is not the PR problem. It's all the bad outcomes.
    Socialism sucks.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
    Democracy is a very much misunderstood term. We need to point out to the uneducated that Iran is an example of democracy and when our government set out to export democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq it gave them Sharia constitutions. Home owners associations are another example of democracy - a breeding ground for little Nazis. It would take considerable education for people to realize that the rule of the mob is not the most desirable form of government. It is, however, ideal for wolves and sheep.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago
      Uh, Iran isn't a Democracy. It's a Theocracy. The Mullah's run Iran - you have to be one of their approved candidates to run for office there.

      Home Owners' Associations aren't democracies either. I live in one as do several of my siblings. You either pay their fees and put up with their rules or they can force you to move.

      And what is a democracy without freedom of speech? A farce. If true freedom of speech doesn't exist, neither does democracy or representative government, but some bastardization or diluted version of such.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
        Oxford dictionary definition of "democracy":
        1. A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
        2. Control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.

        Theocracy and Deocracy can co-exist, if the majority desires it. Anyone can become a mullah and be elligible for office. Likewise, although theoretically an independent candidate can run for office here, in practice one needs to be a member of a Party.
        HOA's are run by the rules established by the majority. As a dissenting minority, one has no voice or protection at all. Perfect democracy.
        Freedom of speech is not in the definistion of a "democracy." We have learned to associate it with democracy, but that is an incorrect association, as it happens to be unique and protected only by the federated constitution of the republic, not by the inherent nature of a democracy. Political correctness and other forms of speech and freedom limitations are an attack at the republican constitution by the democracy. [I use the term "republican" in total disassociation with the Republican Party].
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago
          Still going to point out that Iran is not a democracy, however. The chief executive's powers are subject to veto by the Ayatollah, who is not an elected officer, but rather a religious leader. The CIA generously lists it as a "theocratic republic" (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications...).

          "HOA's are run by the rules established by the majority."

          Not mine. It's run by the builders - all the terms were right there in the mortgage paperwork. My sister is employed by the very same HOA's to verify that the homeowners are abiding by the HOA rules and works with dozens in the area. All are the same - the homeowners have little or no power to alter policy. My brother in Texas is in the same boat: he pays thousands in HOA dues and fees, but has no say whatsoever in altering policy. If you have a say in yours, congrats.

          Further, I would argue that any kind of republic or democracy can only be based on the principle of freedom of speech or it is a faux democracy. If one is not free to vote one's mind, can it really be called a democracy or republic? Is a coerced vote a vote at all?

          "Political correctness and other forms of speech and freedom limitations are an attack at the republican constitution by the democracy."

          I agree 100%. True democracy must abide differences of opinion. While the majority may rule, the right of the minority to disagree must be protected.
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          • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
            Well, Bush decided to export "Democracy" to Afghanistan and Iraq and sent delegations of lawyers to both countries to write their constitutions. They did; they both now have US written Sharia constitutions. Clearly, the Elites do not view "Democracy" in the same light as they sell it to us.
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            • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago
              I agree. And I think Bush was hopelessly naive on the matter. He (and his advisers) made several crucial errors regarding "nation-building", among which I believe are the following:

              1. Believing that someone brought up under a theocratic government would embrace sectarian government - especially those who used to hold power.
              2. Believing that citizens of Middle Eastern nations would be able to separate religion from government.
              3. Believing that simply installing a democracy or republic by fiat would placate or gloss over the centuries of hostility and repression among the various Islamic sects and ethnic groups.
              4. That ANY nation who didn't have to fight for their own liberty had the will to change the way they think about government and ruling.

              True change will only come to these nations when they are forced to confront and do away with their their ideology, which is based on coercion. And that's not going to happen easily, and certainly not by imposition by a third party.
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              • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
                All too true, but what a shame that out of 300 million people the best that we could find was an uneducated father, an even less educated son, and now an almost illiterate ghost of the first two... What a shame.
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  • Posted by Bob44_ 9 years, 2 months ago
    I wish more democrats would have run on Obama's record last election. We might have gotten rid of several more dummies than we did.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    Group labels have lost their original meaning, thanks to the destructive efforts of those who seek to find creative ways to possess the most power in society. Labels are used to confuse individuals about their right to exercise their natural freedoms.

    In a human society composed of rational individuals, a form of Anarchy would work, within which the exchange of goods and services would find an optimum level. Unfortunately, there appears to be a serious lack of rational beings in today's society.

    Humans are social creatures that take pleasure in the company of others of their kind. Power seekers learn how to manipulate that desire for pleasure as a means of subjugating other individuals, depriving them of some degree of the individual's natural rights.

    Rejecting all of the political and ideological labels, since there are myriad conflicting definitions of what each label means, presents a logical challenge. In theory, one who believes he or she is an "Objectivist" (I hazard using even that label, but it is a necessary element of designating a Rand-thinking individual) comes close to one of the famous "Star Trek" series Vulcans, basing their actions on what makes logical sense for the best outcome for themselves. The disconnect between Objectivists and the Vulcans was in that the Trek writers insisted on injecting altruism as a necessary element of survival for a logical society. That was an unfortunate result of Hollywood writers obsession with a vision of a perfect Socialist society.

    The term "Democrat" is, I conclude, as meaningless as any other label plastered on a group.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
      " The disconnect between Objectivists and the Vulcans was in that the Trek writers insisted on injecting altruism as a necessary element of survival for a logical society."
      Was there an episode that states altruism is part of the Vulcan philosophy?
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      • Posted by $ katrinam41 9 years, 2 months ago
        I don't remember any specific statements to that effect. I do remember feeling disappointment at various writers' interpretations of the Vulcan culture. They didn't all have the same vision as the show's creator.
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  • Posted by bryansapen 9 years, 2 months ago
    In the history of the Democrats, they started with Andrew Jackson and their support for individual liberty... the Democrats today (those in Washington) are only Democrats in name. They call themselves progressive liberals which I think is an oxymoron since liberal comes from the root liberty and with the Obama/Reid/Pelosi crew, liberties have shrunk big time. From Wikipedia... "They (the Democrats) viewed the central government as the enemy of individual liberty. The 1824 "corrupt bargain" had strengthened their suspicion of Washington politics....Jacksonians feared the concentration of economic and political power. They believed that government intervention in the economy benefited special-interest groups and created corporate monopolies that favored the rich." They're far from this today... in fact, you can say today's Republican is yesterday's Democrat.
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 9 years, 2 months ago
      They (modern Democrats) have hijacked the language. They take the terms they feel will cast them in the best lights and disregard the ones that don't. Liberal used to mean the freedom to do what you wanted without government interference. This has been subsumed by progressive big government control socialists who claim the title democrat. Until we regain control of the language we will always be behind the times because whoever controls the language controls the debate.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
      Today's Republican Party pretends and expounds endless lies to promote the party as defenders of individual liberty. The GOP is the party of big banking and defender of the federal reserve bank. Andrew Jackson would take issue with your description.
      I agree that Democrats once stood more for liberty and now stand for lootery.
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      • Posted by bryansapen 9 years, 2 months ago
        I guess I was thinking of the conservative republicans, today's Republicans in office are the democrats of the early 20th century... the rank and file republicans/conservatives are more like Andrew Jackson.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
          "the rank and file republicans/conservatives " continue to pretend that voting for Republicans will change things for the better against all evidence to the contrary. Their irrational loyalty is the cause of the very problem they wish to solve.
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