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TSA Requires National ID For US Citizens To Travel Domestically

Posted by khalling 9 years, 2 months ago to Government
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Plenty of Conservatives see no problem with this. Of course, this is another chain they put around your ankle tying you to your govt as its slave. People need fundamental philosophical bases for their politics. There is nothing free about this.
SOURCE URL: https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2015/2/9/tsa-demands-internal-passport-for-domestic-travel.html


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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 2 months ago
    This is the sad irony of Objectivist politics.

    Police are one of the three core functions of government that Rand held necessary to keeping law and order. The problem: to a cop, everyone who is not a fellow cop is a criminal.

    They had that "internal passport" (grazhdanskyi pasport) in Soviet Russia. And more to the point, this reminds me of a failed pilot for what would have been a 1967-season television series titled "Shadow on the Land." The first thing the lead character notices is a set of disputes about travel permits suddenly being required for all domestic travel, not just coast-to-coast.

    A libertarian is a conservative who has seen hard leftists take over the government and turn the police into the Secret State Police, or the Committee for State Security, or the Internal Security Forces, or whatever you wish to call it.
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  • Posted by rbunce 9 years, 2 months ago
    Use a private airport and a private flight. Government facilities and government regulated services are a feeding ground for the nanny state.
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  • Posted by IIGeo2 9 years, 2 months ago
    OK this is not a big brother thing, the passport card was created for use on land borders and cruise ships. It frees up persons from carrying birth certificates as proof and has gone a long way to eliminate fraud at the border.

    One of the issues was that foriengers could enter the US either with an Alien registration card, or their Entry visa card BCC Border Crossing card also known as a BBCC which makes it an all around entry document. (note to use the BBCC at an airport it MUST be accompanied with a valid passport. ALL persons entering at an Airport with the exception of a LPR Lawful Permanent Resident MUST have a valid passport.

    Will this fly? No because the TSA does not have the authority to check a persons immigration status and we barely have enough staff to keep our border open let alone check domestic travel.

    Basically this goes back to the base issue of national ID you want a national ID so you can fly to Disneyworld (hopefully measle free) BUT we are upset that you required an ID check at a voting booth?

    So other then bad press for the all to deserving TSA. This will happen right after I win the tonights Powerball lottery. (and yes I do have one of these cards and I do carry it with me)

    On the subject of the TSA they are getting better both Orlando and La Vegas TSA are amazingly polite and effecient. IAH Houston Texas well not so much! (George Bush Airport, go figure?) I'd rather drive to Dallas.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 2 months ago
      "Basically this goes back to the base issue of national ID you want a national ID so you can fly to Disneyworld (hopefully measle free) BUT we are upset that you required an ID check at a voting booth? "

      +10 if I could. The rank hypocrisy...
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      • Posted by IIGeo2 9 years, 2 months ago
        How so? this is sveral differnt issues in one. Does the state have the right to regulate the free movement of its citizens I would agree that the answer is NO. Is there a responsability of teh state to keep us safe I would argue yes. So there is the dilema., Stating a fact is not hypocritical. The comment was meant to be sarcastic in showing that how in one instance they require something on its face is lawful and a matter of personal freedom, the second the voting issue is a matter of one vote from one with the lawful ability to do so. Personally I rate your comment+10 as well for no other reason that I will consider your view and respect it.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      I read the provision carefully and it clearly requires either a valid passport which is currently electronically scanned every time you cross an international border OR a special ID card. It verifies your name, date of birth, address, SS number and the new ones now include biometric data. When you get a drivers license you had to prove who you were as well. Since it is scanned and attached to federal databases, it now gives the authority to the Feds to access state held information on you. It can be easily attached to other data, are you a registered firearm owner, have you a criminal record. Since as little as 5 years ago it seemed impossible the govt would have access of your private health records, oh wait-THEY DO! it's easy to run o cross check on that as well. As the Judge says in this clip, it starts with the TSA in airports. Easy enough for state troopers to ask for it tomorrow. They tried to to over-reach on passport renewals (the new forms included private information that we were appalled by (and my husband had a security clearance) which included your living history for the past 15 years, every ticket you ever had gotten-it was outrageous, so we renewed earlier than we needed to and there was so much pushback they dropped it. There needs to be pushback on this as well.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26VOBHvF...
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      • Posted by IIGeo2 9 years, 2 months ago
        Biometric data is only collected on foreign visitors entering the US and Lawful Permanent residents, The onlu exception to that rule is Global Entry where the applicant identity is confirmed by fingerprint at the time of entry. When a person applies for a passport biometric data is not taken and the biometric data they talk about is the information on the passport. This is to prevent fraud by altering the biographic information. meaning name dob sex etc..
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  • Posted by Ranter 9 years, 2 months ago
    The article is not completely factual. The fact is that most state drivers' licenses are compliant with "Real-ID" requirements, and anyone holding a driver's license from those states will not need to get a national ID. By the time the regulation goes into effect, all states are expected to be compliant. The "Real-ID" requirements cause the states to verify identities and produce driver's licenses that are virtually tamper-proof and highly resistant to counterfeiting.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    I suspect the Fed gov't will make sure the states are compliant in time, giving them an extension if necessary, to avoid the bad publicity. If it happens that way it stays under the radar.
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