Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 2 months ago to Books
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On another Gulch Post, some discussion and even disagreements arose about the value of the individual vote, particularly on the national scene and the alleged importance for Objectivist on the site to help conservatives get elected since they are the least worst of the two major parties offered and that we shouldn't 'waste our vote' by voting for some third party candidate. Simply not voting was also criticized even more strongly.

For myself, I've long been convinced that elections are largely entertainment and of absolutely no consequence in the government and policies of this country, and in fact haven't been since Lincoln's time with the beginnings of the democratization of the vote and in particular, since Roosevelt's dictatorship. My argument centers on the facts that elected and appointed officials don't actually run the institutions and agencies of government. They are just the face presented to the public much as the talking heads of news broadcasts. The real government consists of the bureaucracies and the Executive Services branches of those operations, that have taken over nearly every aspect of our national policies and even local government.

I've discovered a fairly new published book by an author with much experience in the inner or dark government that actually runs this country. While the author writes and relates from his area of experience in National Security within the government, it is my contention that the facts of this book apply throughout government and reveals how much secret and hidden power and insularity these bureaucrats actually have and exercise, and how little those that we elect and those that get appointed can affect anything, including the courts. Although I haven't finished the book by any means, I'm still ready to recommend the book and discussion of the issues revealed within the book.

"By Jordan Michael Smith OCTOBER 19, 2014
THE VOTERS WHO put Barack Obama in office expected some big changes. From the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping to Guantanamo Bay to the Patriot Act, candidate Obama was a defender of civil liberties and privacy, promising a dramatically different approach from his predecessor.

But six years into his administration, the Obama version of national security looks almost indistinguishable from the one he inherited. Guantanamo Bay remains open. The NSA has, if anything, become more aggressive in monitoring Americans. Drone strikes have escalated. Most recently it was reported that the same president who won a Nobel Prize in part for promoting nuclear disarmament is spending up to $1 trillion modernizing and revitalizing America’s nuclear weapons.

Why did the face in the Oval Office change but the policies remain the same? Critics tend to focus on Obama himself, a leader who perhaps has shifted with politics to take a harder line. But Tufts University political scientist Michael J. Glennon has a more pessimistic answer: Obama couldn’t have changed policies much even if he tried.

Though it’s a bedrock American principle that citizens can steer their own government by electing new officials, Glennon suggests that in practice, much of our government no longer works that way. In a new book, “National Security and Double Government,” he catalogs the ways that the defense and national security apparatus is effectively self-governing, with virtually no accountability, transparency, or checks and balances of any kind. He uses the term “double government”: There’s the one we elect, and then there’s the one behind it, steering huge swaths of policy almost unchecked. Elected officials end up serving as mere cover for the real decisions made by the bureaucracy."

Can this 'double government' ever be reigned in to actually be influenced by the public and concerns of citizens?
SOURCE URL: http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html


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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 2 months ago
    A long time ago I took our children to a zoo which had a large male lion. The daughter of the owner said she had raised that lion from a cub in her bedroom and it was totally tame. Someone asked why, if it was tame, it had to be in a cage. She replied that one day she realized and the lion realized that he didn't have to obey her anymore. This is where Americans are in relation to our government. They don't listen because they have become the 500-pound lion in the room. The only question to be answered is can the government be put into a cage and, if so, how?
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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 2 months ago
    I'm no longer surprised that people are surprised about this, but they shouldn't be. It has been going on a long time. We see a tiny percentage of what goes on in Washington. This was a good article, but it doesn't even scratch the surface of what goes on sub rosa in the government, and who benefits from it. That applies to intelligence, the military, and foreign affairs, obviously, but it also goes for just about everything else the government does, too. Voting is a waste of time, and arguing about whether or not voting is a waste of time is an even bigger waste of time, which is why I abstain from joining such discussions on Galt's Gulch.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      Makes sense to me. But you're very right about all of the government and other institutions that have been taken over through the same subterfuge. Haven't you noticed that so far only two people in the IRS scandal have lost their jobs. Gun Walking, I don't think anyone has lost their jobs. Congress can't even fire them, if they can figure out who they are.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 2 months ago
    I asked Newt Gingrich about term limits and he said that the term had to be at least 8 years because it takes that long to learn the system, and otherwise the bureaucrats would be running everything. They are anyway I believe.

    In the last election (Nov), in many of my local and state races I wrote in NO CONFIDENCE because they choices (I use that term very loosely) stunk.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      Congress could take control back if they had the cajones and cared about the future of the country. But we'll never be able to get enough of that type elected. It's a fraud.
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  • Posted by GordonMuth 9 years, 2 months ago
    United we stand, divided we fall!

    The only way to turn things around is to unite as an unstoppable force for freedom, put the right people in office and demand that they do the right thing. As long as we are divided the government will continue to do what the government wants to do, when and how it wants to do it.

    If we want the government the constitution grants us, we will vote, we will campaign, we will convince others to join us and we will hold our leaders accountable when they are swayed by fear rather than guided by reason!

    It isn't impossible, but it is probably the most difficult task we could ever hope to accomplish.
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 2 months ago
    Look at the evidence. Either voting has no effect on hidden levers of power or the voters voted for this trajectory. In either case, there is no point in voting if your goal is small government. For me, I stopped voting when John Roberts cast the deciding vote for BOcare.

    But certainly vote if you own a biz and are member of its lobbying association. Get you some.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with your title on this topic. The article you link on the other hand is just a liberal trying to excuse Obama for his actions. Obama chose his actions, and he has shown repeatedly via unconstitutional executive action that he was not limited in his choices.

    Voting in this system is for the faithful as there is no rational way to support their expectations.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      The author of the review article of the book may very well be a progressive or liberal, but the author of the book still has it right, though I haven't finished the book quite yet.
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