Fluoride freedom libertarians fight Dallas City Hall

Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago to Government
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One fact is indisputable: public water fluoridation IS forced government medicalization.
(Medicalization is a social process through which a previously normal human condition (behavioral, physiological or emotional) becomes a medical problem in need of treatment under the jurisdiction of medical professionals.)
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago
    Guys, let me see if I can give you an idea about fluoride. Yes, too high a dose can cause fluorosis- that's how the anti cavity effects were discovered. It was noted that people with fluorosis did not get cavities. Research showed the optimum level for cavity prevention that did not disfigure the teeth.
    Ingestion is actually important, as the F is laid down in the developing teeth, making them decay resistant throughout life. Ingestion is important only in the years that the teeth are developing within the jaws.
    If you are on well water, the ideal would be to have your water tested for F. If there is naturally occurring F, You can then determine the correct level of F supplementation to acheive the optimum level.
    Topical fluorides are helpful but do not provide the benefits of systemic F during tooth development.
    A completely sugar free diet would be beneficial but is hardly realistic. Egyptian mummies show significant amounts of tooth decay even though they had no sugar in their diet.
    I hope this answers some of your questions. This is my opinion, of course.
    Please be aware there is a lot of misinformation on the Internet.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago
    How perfect is this for me? I am a dentist, and I know that fluoridation is the number one, most effective public health measure ever taken. Take fluoridation away, and cavities will increase by about 80%, and middle class Americans are less able to pay to fix their teeth than 50 years ago.
    That's the practical side.
    My philosophical side is aganist any government intervention and/or coercion, and I would be against fluoridation on that basis.
    But arent' there about a million more important issues to address?
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    • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago
      Please share evidence of how you know, Mamaemma.
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago
        I hear you, freedom, and you are perfectly correct to ask for proof rather than my opinion. I would have to spend much time finding references to give you, and I just don't have that time, as I am sitting at the computer right now waiting for a patient to be numb.
        I know it to be the case from past research,and also from 39 years of observing the difference in decay rates between patients on fluoridated water and those not on it, but I am not willing to take the time to prove it to you. And actually my point was philosophical, that even though I believe fluoridation is beneficial, I don't believe it should be imposed by government.

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        • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago
          No worries ;^) If you can find time later, I'd love to see it, thanks.
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          • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
            So would I. I imagine there are studies to support this position. In my case, my teeth were ruined by fluoridosis (sp?). I'm opposed to forced medical treatment of citizens. And, I'm opposed to fluoride in the water because that means it is ingested. I have much less problem with it being topically applied to the teeth. Ingesting it makes as much sense to me as drinking your shampoo to help your hair...
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    • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 3 months ago
      It is nice to have a dentist weigh in on the subject. But what about when you factor in diet? Could there be a false correlation between fluoride and tooth decay when you also take into account the change in diets over the last 50 years? I'm just thinking about anthropological studies that show people in medieval Europe actually had pretty good teeth considering they didn't even have dentists to do periodic cleaning, but then again they very rarely consumed sugar and they ate grainy things that naturally cleaned their teeth. Does fluoride really need to be in the water supply where it is regularly ingested? What about fluoride treatments at the dentist? Is that not enough? I'm really curious both as a citizen raised on non-fluoridated well water and as a parent.
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    • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago
      I would like more info on this when you have time. I also have a question. Is it possible that people just spend more time keeping their teeth clean? I have lived in the country with untreated well water 95% of my life and being over 50, I have only had 4 cavities. All of those before I was 18 and started going to the dentist on a regular basis. My parents did not take us as kids. I would be interested in your thoughts.
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago
        edweaver, I guarantee that if you only had 4 cavities before you were 18, then you had 3 things: you kept your teeth clean, had a good diet, and most importantly, you had good genetics.
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        • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago
          We did brush our teeth twice twice per day but never used floss. In hind sight I think that is why I had the 4 cavities. Maybe got lucky with genetics but both my parents had teeth problems so not sure and so did some of my grandparents. We had fluoride toothpaste which I don't think was available before the 60's but maybe I am wrong.
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