That big toe one scares me a little, but that mother-in-law one puts me into shudders.

When I was 18 in 1956 I did ditto, on a bus afterward. At that time I was still learning. I did it only because I couldn't advance in my job until my 1A status was behind me. I learned, and got the hell out after wasting 3 long years. Never again!

Holy Sh**! I never thought of that. Plan B: This is a medieval torture that doesn't seem too bad, but is so painful that it rarely fails: Take the guy's big toe and sandpaper it. Apply alcohol. Or bring in his mother-in-law and let her explain all his shortcomings to him, endlessly.

Wow. This is interesting and a little scary. As a writer, you can be inspired to write all kinds of characters that have a completely different world view from you. That 's why it 's called fiction.

That would really be the BRICK gang

You left the K for Killers off the end there

+1 for the Heinlein quote

Damn, you've got to know that some of them would like that too much.

Heinlein through Lazarus Long:::

climate is what you expect; weather is what you get.

gorgeous.

-- j

male politicians I can see, readily. -- j

lawyers have a different view of the world, it seems;;;
right and privilege and personal property and things
like that have different definitions. -- j

All Things Considered, lets save the tax payers a bunch of money. Take Bracamontes and both of his lawyers, cut them so their bleeding pretty good and Helocast them a mile off shore of the Faeroe Islands, west of San Francisco. Anybody who can swim back to the Golden Gate gets life in prison, at hard labor, on bread and water, w/o parole.
I'm certain the officers who buried their comrades and coworkers would be happy to toss them our of the helicopter.

Oooooh!
Murderers, Ok -- politicians, too easy. They should be made to memorize the Constitution, the Preamble, the Federalist Papers, and every time they slip up, a nun will be hired to slap various parts of them with a ruler.

I live in the Sacramento area - this was one of the most horrific crimes we have seen. Sacramento is 'California' but its also a relatively large "small town" and we don't really have crime like this. We're not LA, we're not Stockton.

This guy and his toked-up wife were sitting in a car in a parking lot of a known-druggie apartment complex, and a police car rolled up on them. One officer got out and approached, the other covered from behind. This pillar of society shot the cop approaching in the forehead and shot the other cop in the face with an AR15. (I love guns, I'm just indicating that this was a high velocity, tumbling .223 caliber round that tends to do a lot of damage).

He then took off, figured they needed to ditch the car, and car-jacked a civilian on a nearby street, when he didn't immediately get out of the car, said pillar of society shot him in the forehead as well with his rifle at point-blank range. He kind of survived I think, I haven't seen any updates on his condition... this was last September/October or so.

Then of course they fled, and in Auburn, California, he shot another Detective in the forehead. He also died instantly.

One of the cops was just married a month or so earlier, the other was a father of little kids and his own father died 20 years ago to the day, also in the line of duty, in a police helicopter crash.

This piece of sh*t deserves whatever they give him, unfortunately, there is a 50-year lag on executions here, so sending him to Gitmo or whatever is fine with me.

He is also an illegal, and was deported several times before, always returning to the Salt Lake City area. It wasn't really clear in the news why he was even in Sacramento. Although... it doesn't take a stretch to figure out this guy is probably a narco... he's back & forth across the border a lot (which is costly to do and normally a life's savings for someone in Mexico) and had some impressive firepower for an illegal, at best, I've only seen Mexican nationals with a .38 special and normally barely-operable or something. Non-gangbanger Mexicans are just not the types to carry heat. It's really a foreign concept for them.

The lawyers in this case should be subject to punishment for obstruction... the defendant/perpetrator should be the ultimate arbiter regarding confession, period. If the court wishes psychological evaluation before accepting, so be it.

"Who can name any human living today who gave any such consent to be Ruled... by any other Human?"

I consented once...and then boarded a train for boot camp.
Never regretted the event, or the subsequent story.

No, just more efficient. But, as you suggest, the Zeta's may arrange for his early release. It is so hard to find good help these days.

It would have been an interesting conversation - and resultant article. Our loss as well that it did not happen.

Jan

Indeed, I think that is precisely why he didn't want to stand up and explain to naive libertarian youth why he was not his characters. Lanny was very disappointed, had probably hoped to interview him for Reason.

Apply this formula to politicians who ignore the oath to the constitution and 3rd parties might have a chance.

Really...you're suggesting that Mexico's justice system is more effective than ours?

More likely, due to his love of killing cops, he would be hired by the drug cartels.

I cannot name names, but there would be a class of such individuals who used the traditional wedding oath who voluntarily swore to 'love, honor and obey' their husband.

I suspect this is a rather large class.


Jan

Heinlein's philosophy obviously changed enormously over his writing career. The good thing about writing fiction is that your characters are the ones with words in their mouths and you can change what is said in the next book with the next set of characters. The bad thing about writing fiction is that irrespective of fact number one, the readership attributes the statements to the writer.

I imagine that it would be very difficult to recant some of the things that some of your characters said at various points, while keeping hold of some of the other points you - excuse me 'your characters' - made.

Jan