Constitution

Posted by conn24 10 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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So, if we had to start over (post apocalypse) what would you add or subtract from the constitution? For me the removal of the "elastic clause" would best serve man.


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  • Posted by dwcarmi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's true but you have to remember he gave us the Federal Reserve and the IRS. Obama is proving to be the worse President in history by blatantly flouting the law and for creating the most corrupt and power hungry administration ever.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He is not as effective as Wilson. Wilson was incredibly interested in getting his hands on any new technology. He modernized every aspect of the government and the military by having a real hands on approach with producers or inventors. Obama, on the other hand, thought he was so slick with exploiting the youth vote by using every means of social media available to him, but then failed miserably to get a website up and running. This was a huge blunder on his part. It’s kind of poetic justice.
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  • Posted by dwcarmi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That might be true, but they only had horses or wagons. More to the point, we still had our freedoms until Wilson was President. Things started unraveling then and have increased since then. After Obama things have been on steroids.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, there would be no gov't coercion. The right to vote (and exercise your communal control over all) would only be earned after having contributed to the society as a whole in the first place. Deciding not to contribute, and therefore not earn the right to vote for the political class, would be a freewill choice.
    Yes, this was one of the themes from Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers (more so the book than the movies).
    In a society where you can vote yourself money, without having contributed one thing of any value, it is only a matter of time before a sufficient number of people will figure that out. Once it happens, there is little chance of ever going back, and the society (or at least the political aspect of that society) is doomed to fail.
    Again, just my humble opinion.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Starship Troopers.

    On Sparta, one has to do a series of services and pass evaluations, and be sponsored by a phraeterie, before one can become a citizen. Non-citizens have rights, they just don't get a say in the government. That's in the Falkenberg's Legion series of books, volumes "Go Tell the Spartans" and "Prince of Sparta".

    Until I read that series of books, I viewed Heinlein's society of Starship Troopers as most preferable. After reading Pournelle's Falkenberg's Legion series, The Spartan dual monarchy became a society I would die for.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re:Hiraghm,
    I agree that a voter ID is needed as a separate identification for voting. My point was that the objection to a voter ID by democrats is simply a ruse to continue with voter fraud. By the way, a drivers license is considered proper ID for almost all purposes, but keep in mind that there is in fact no legal requirement for anyone to carry any form of ID. This of course raises the question how any authority can require an ID for anything that is not for private business purposes such as cashing a check. For example, to enter a government building, an ID is required when in fact is is public property and such a requirement can not in reality be enforced under any present law.

    Fred Speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A driver's license is not an ID. This used to be a source of annoyance for police when stopping pedestrians.

    It doesn't matter what party they're with; a voter ID to vote is simply common sense. Imagine, say, China sending over a million people to vote in our elections. How are we to know whether they are eligible to vote without ID?
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  • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: Mike Marotta,

    We already have a state ID card, it's called a drivers license and the rest of the few that don't have a license usually have state issued ID already as well. The simple truth is that the objection to requiring ID's to vote is that it would eliminate the voter fraud that is already part of the democrat electorate. That's not to say that republicans haven't engaged in a little fraud themselves over the years.

    As to Platinum, there is some U.S. production while ther are no nickel mines at present. I don't believe that the Constitution forbids the purchase of those metals from anywhere in the world. based on your statement, it is only prohibited to the government to purchase directly from foreign countries.

    Fred Speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right after we won the revolutionary War and just before they started a new government. I think the whiskey tax rebellion is the beginning of this road we've been on and continue down.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You do realize that was so long ago that everyone was showing up drunk to work, right? ;)
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the Constitution already says all of that, except for term limits. I think getting the Supreme Court out of the business of defining the words in the Constitution makes more sense. The Constitution was written in plane language rather than legalize for a reason.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If a system works why change it? A voter ID solves a problem that just isn't there. It's another stumbling block being put out by the extreme right to discourage some on our society from participating.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 6 months ago
    First, as to the Necessary and Proper clause, a clarification would be in order: that this applies ONLY to the enumerated powers of the Constitution, and to any Section of any Amendment saying, "Congress shall have the power to enforce this article through appropriate legislation."

    Beyond that:

    I believe Judge Narragansett, toward the end of AS, proposed a new Amendment: "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of production and trade."

    I would strike the enumerated power "to establish post offices and post roads."

    I would strike Amendments XVI and XVII.

    I would add a section to let States or their electorates recall their Congressional or Senate delegations, or any member(s) thereof, for any good reason, bad reason, or no reason.

    I would put in an explicit set of Amendments to authorize the creation of air and space forces, and then declare that the Congress shall have NO POWER to raise any other kind of military force without amending the Constitution further.

    I would in that connection reform Clause 17 to state positively WHAT CONSTITUTES THE NEEDFUL BUILDINGS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The original Constitution said: FORTS, MAGAZINES, ARSENALS, AND DOCKYARDS. It was NEVER supposed to include reserving vast tracts of land for federal management. It's time for an enumerated list of "needful buildings" and a declaration that Congress shall not purchase any lands for the construction of any other sort of building.

    I would establish an office of National Sheriff, to be elected separately and apart from the President, with full authority to serve Writs of Quo Warranto and other such common-law writs. Including writs of expulsion for passing unconstitutional laws. AND: vetting the Natural Born Citizenship qualifications of candidates for the offices of President and Vice-President. And with regard to this last, I would define a Natural Born Citizen strictly, according to Emmerich de Vattel's definition: one born in-country to TWO, count them, TWQ citizen parents.

    I am open to any other suggestions.
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  • Posted by Kevin 10 years, 6 months ago
    Limit voting rights back to just taxpayers. Would cure almost all the current problems.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would be force and gov coercion. The gov would love nothing more than to force the young into "service". I think that's where they're headed already...student loans will at some point come with strings of "service".
    I disagree with you. Some will not appreciate freedom until it is completely gone. How do we wake up that realization, and back it with self responsibility, and have everyone with skin in the game?
    Let's think about this. What was going on in this country when people were the most responsible and self reliant...and free? (Hint: We didn't have social safety nets... if you didn't pull your own weight you had to rely on charity... people avoided asking for charity, back then it wa embarrassing. Once people did what they had to do to get back on their feet they had some pride and renewed motivation to never go back to having to ask for charity again. We've lost that element. It's related to the risk of hunger.)
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  • Posted by jimslag 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not yet but I read some of the comments from others who had them and am looking forward to getting mine.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While showing an ID to vote is certainly necessary, it is not sufficient. We have what an old Roman philosopher called a society of "bread and circuses." Politicians take from one group (or borrow) to give to others. The group of freeloaders gets so large that the producers can no longer support the largesse.
    What we need is a mechanism to ensure that all voters have a stake in the system. My preference would be something like 2 years service to earn the right to vote and to serve in any federal elected position. Could be military service, some form of medical service, or some internal humanitarian service.
    Only by earning something do people realize the value of it.
    Just my humble opinion.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 10 years, 6 months ago
    We have strayed so far away from the original intent of the founders of this country. The constitution was never intended to turn this country into a welfare state.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes!...that too... I got tired! lol
    Get the cards yet? Wait..I just mailed them yesterday, I think....never mind. :)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I find it ironic that the people who object to any Christian expression in school or public places, have been dead silent for years as churches are used as voting stations....

    Must have States. The U.S. is a union of free republics. The best form of society is this Russian doll model, where people can set up communities that suit them, or move from one that doesn't, to one that does.
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  • Posted by jimslag 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good List LS. I agree with all the points. Let's follow Mr. Levin for an Article 5 Convention. The only I would add is to do away with the Federal Reserve.
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