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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    I do feel I am forced to buy what I don't want, and I don't like it. Therefore I have been buying fewer cars. My latest is a smaller Kia Soul. I like the basic car, although I have no idea how much crap is in it from government mandates. I do notice the very annoying seat belt reminder EVERY time I start it up (I bought seat belt extenders to disable it finally), and the stupid message on the "agree" screen that you have to manually "agree" to each time you start it. I don't even remember what it makes you agree to, but its some stupid government message about safety I think. For me, those two things are the reminders that we live in a socialist country that wants to control me
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing new there... follow the money, the power, the control and the connections...
    Nothing we haven't seen before or commented on here before...

    Now, as to changing that... ?????????????
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not necessarily. If there are no clients left to seek reimbursement, then those insurance companies would have less inclination to demand safety measures. There's a possibility of an insurance scheme to work, I just don't see that being feasible in our current environment.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that only you should have that power. What I disagree with is that the free-market alone would cause that implementation to be more rapid and drive innovation. I don't see, at least in one example, that being the case.

    And yes, they were totally inept in getting regulations to mandate airbag installation. Had they been more successful, it would have been installed much sooner and they would have made much more money. But believe me, it wasn't due to any philosophical position against regulation, merely incompetence.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you will deny the way that government agencies collaborated with or enabled those 'injustices' and monopolies?!
    Most coins have two sides....
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, Robbie... I think that's a great example... of lousy marketing, lobbying and manipulation of government AND the marketplace... by EATON!

    Talk about a prime example of crony capitalism or something of that sort! Excellent!

    Now, today, as far as I know, folks like the NHTSA are looking or thinking about sophisticated collision-avoidance systems, some have already appeared on high-end luxury makes and models. e.g., Mercedes and maybe some others.

    Back-up Cameras started to appear some years back; my wife's '12 Prius-V came with it as part of a high-end package on that model. I believe that some government agency or agencies is/are looking into making such cameras (as well as collision-avoidance systems) mandatory in the next few years, too.

    I stipulate that cars ARE 'getting safer,' but I see an inherent tug of war between companies and Naderite-types of do-gooders trying to push the features in as 'standard equipment' versus "Joe Public" who gripes about the added costs and expense when they go to sign the sales contract.

    Oh, and lest I forget, there's that nagging aspect that, by adding all of these options, features and systems to cars, what we're also doing is removing more and more responsibility AND skills requirements from the Drivers... Sort of Darwining ourselves down an evolutionary ladder, rather than improving our skills.

    That, TOO, is 'a tradeoff,' as I, for one, am pretty ok with accepting assistance From My Vehicle to keep me safer (or just plain alive) if someone ELSE does something stupid behind Their steering wheel! But I'm also lucky enough to occasionally afford myself a new vehicle WITH those features.
    Can _I_ / should I be the 'one' to make that decision for all other car buyers? Or even most of them, or a few? Or should the car companies? Or the NHTSA?

    Interesting questions, I think... :)
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While there are lots of examples of 'lack of faster progress' IN regulated industries, I think it's still an unfair generalization... Virtually ALL 'industries are regulated' to some degree today, so a postulation is fine, but can't be tested, as there are few control samples to measure...
    Examples?
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  • Posted by bassboat 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Robbie,
    You answered your own question of who would regulate the nuclear industry, the insurance companies. I for one would prefer that the oversight of a plant to be overseen by the insurance folks as opposed to a government guy/gal that has no profit incentive. Ditto goes for the drug industry. We also do not need the FDIC or the SEC. They should be replaced by the private sector. Government should protect us and settle lawsuits and not much else. The first question to always ask is, "What government agency is better at something than the private sector?".
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Society has the right to force people to not poison it. That is what pollution is. It's poisoning another.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you serious? Are you sure you’re posting on the right forum? Are you actually advocating the use of aggressive force, i.e. using government mandates, to enforce a particular opinion?
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The nuclear power industry is the most overregulated industry in America. You can't do anything without filling out a bunch of paperwork to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. That's why the pace of innovation has almost ground to a halt over the past 40 years. A certain amount of regulation is necessary for public safety, but the arrangement we have is grossly hurting the progress that we could be achieving...
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just one anecdote of an automobile safety device and what happened - draw your own conclusions.

    In the late '60's, Eaton Corp developed the first practical air bag system. Ford originally planned on adding this safety system in 1971, but found that customers would not pay the additional $300 and so dropped it.
    By the late '80's, Eaton could not get sufficient orders for the systems to make any money on the product and sold the rights to their patents (to TRW if I remember correctly). They (the new patent holders) then went to Congress and got a law passed that mandated air-bag use. Suddenly use and profits soared.

    Did the market cause the proliferation of air-bags? The evidence would say no, since it was stymied for nearly 20 yrs until gov't mandated use.

    These are facts.

    We can never know if the same proliferation would exist today without mandates, but I dare say that there are auto manufacturers in other parts of the world that do not serve markets that mandate air-bags that do not have a similar level of deployment.

    Please don't misconstrue this post as me advocating gov't regulation, I do not. But those who say that the market itself would drive adoption and implementation of technology at a more rapid pace are mistaken, at least in some cases.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, perhaps I was not clear. I am postulating what would have occurred without regulation. And we can know that because that is what happens in every other industry.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I actually liked your humor. It was a nice touch. This sounds an awful lot like the Tucker automobile.they had engine problems as well. from an engineering and marketing standpoint I would think that a custom engine is a foolish idea. You have too many obstacles to overcome as it is without having to design an engine and transmission system as well. They should have done what Buell motorcycle company did and use an existing off-the-shelf engine, the Harley Davidson engine.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not quite that simple. When it comes to gas mileage, I agree wholeheartedly. When it comes to causing harm, I'm not sure that tort law is sufficient, particularly as the extent and severity of harm grows. For example, a nuclear power plant. It is conceivable that a failure there could wipe out all of there neighbors, leaving few to sue in court for damages. Thus, there is no countervailing force to ensure that the plant ensure they are building and maintaining a safe facility. Does gov't need to do the task, not necessarily, but in the current system, that's how we do it. Insurance companies could also do the task, but again, if the insured are all dead, who would get the reimbursement for the damages?
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 4 months ago
    y'know, if we had a truly free, capitalistic nation,
    we'd all be richer and more comfortable -- and
    the government would be about 10 percent of its
    current size. -- j

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  • Posted by bassboat 9 years, 4 months ago
    The government as the article said not only has no business in telling auto manufacturers how to build a car but the same should be said about the oil industry, the nuclear industry, the drug industry, the insurance industry, I think you get my point. People should be willing to decide for themselves what products that they want at what price. The free market should always decide what the consumer wants, not some poly in DC. While I'm at it let's bring back the term limits thing, these last 20 years is enough of a reason to do so.
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