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Ayn Rand:
"The title of this book may evoke the kind of question that I hear once in a while: 'Why do you use the word 'selfishness' to denote virtuous qualities of character, when that word antagonizes so many people to whom it does not mean the things you mean?'
"To those who ask it, my answer is: 'For the reason that makes you afraid of it.'
"But there are others, who would not ask that question, sensing the moral cowardice it implies, yet who are unable to formulate my actual reason or to identify the profound moral issue involved. It is to them that I will give a more explicit answer.
"It is not a mere semantic issue nor a matter of arbitrary choice. The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word 'selfishness' is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual 'package-deal,' which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind.
"In popular usage, the word 'selfishness' is a synonym of evil; the image it conjures is of a murderous brute who tramples over piles of corpses to achieve his own ends, who cares for no living being and pursues nothing but the gratification of the mindless whims of any immediate moment.
"Yet the exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word 'selfishness' is: concern with one's own interests.
"This concept does not include a moral evaluation; it does not tell us whether concern with one's own interests is good or evil; nor does it tell us what constitutes man's actual interests. It is the task of ethics to answer such questions.
"The ethics of altruism has created the image of the brute, as its answer, in order to make men accept two inhuman tenets: (a) that any concern with one's own interests is evil, regardless of what these interests might be, and (b) that the brute's activities are in fact to one's own interest (which altruism enjoins man to renounce for the sake of his neighbors).
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"Yet that is the meaning of altruism, implicit in such examples as the equation of an industrialist with a robber. There is a fundamental moral difference between a man who sees his self-interest in production and a man who sees it in robbery. The evil of a robber does not lie in the fact that he pursues his own interests, but in what he regards as to his own interest; not in the fact that he pursues his values, but in what he chose to value; not in the fact that he wants to live, but in the fact that he wants to live on a subhuman level (see 'The Objectivist Ethics')
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"If it is true that what I mean by 'selfishness' is not what is meant conventionally, then this is one of the worst indictments of altruism: it means that altruism permits no concept of a self-respecting, self-supporting man—a man who supports his life by his own effort and neither sacrifices himself nor others. It means that altruism permits no view of men except as sacrificial animals and profiteers-on-sacrifice, as victims and parasites—that it permits no concept of a benevolent co-existence among men—that it permits no concept of justice.
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"To rebel against so devastating an evil, one has to rebel against its basic premise. To redeem both man and morality, it is the concept of 'selfishness' that one has to redeem."
I hesitate posting this because it is so full of immoral concepts and dis-information. Let's start here:-
"Afraid that some big company might steal the idea? That is life. When you run with the elephants there are the quick and the dead. That is a challenge every small company faces."
Since we have a patent system to protect property rights, what he's describing as "that's life" is actually theft. It is no different stealing the products of an inventor's mind than it is to steal physical property. His POV is so obnoxious and immoral. ugh
What most people don't know is that Mark Cuban started the first nationwide online service provider (Compuserve) before selling it to America Online. Cuban was a self-made billionaire by the time he was 30.
Remember this scene from AS1.
Paul Larkin: They say you're intractable, you're ruthless, your only goal is to make money.
Henry Rearden: My only goal is to make money.
Paul Larkin: [whisper] Yes, but you shouldn't say it.
Mark Cuban would not have been acting if he had played Hank Rearden in that scene. That scene characterizes Mark Cuban to a T.
Then I grill them on what planet stealing is a good thing, or practicing charity with something you did not earn.
Robin Hood was a great example of BAD selfishness, since he stole, coveted, and did it all so he would be looked upon as good while all the time doing evil deeds.
And your 100% correct, the people who condemn the Objectivist, have not read Atlas Shrugged, or the Fountainhead, or my personal favorite, Anthem.
Different times. Most people are growing dumber. They don't know basic history, let alone philosophy. On O'Reilly's Show his guy Watters asks a college student who was George Washington. her response was, "Wasn't he the second president after Lincoln?"
Clearly you haven't see how they teach math in California. :-)
Standards of behavior with regard to others depend on what is proper for the individual in accordance with his nature.
The constructs cooked up in religion are attempt to understand the nature of reality and how to act. That is what the dogmas of their faith are.
For the Catholic church, the prohibition of killing is fundamental and not dogmatic. All life is sacred, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. Just as much so is that fact that one owns oneself.
If you want to understand how the physical universe has been evolving then consult science. When you don't know, you have nothing to say. Fantasizing about mystical realms will not tell you.
To love is to value. Freedom is the absence of coercion. Neither are mysticism.
Your constant, repetitive, inappropriate promotion of religious dogma on a forum for the ideas of Ayn Rand, which you trash in ignorance along with your personal smears and attacks, certainly is zealotry and does not belong here. No one wants you to "shut up", when you don't know something the rational position is to stop talking about it. It is you who has nothing to say. Take it wherever you want to but it is inappropriate to keep intruding on this forum with your religious proselytizing.
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