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  • Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 4 months ago
    Count my 17-year-old son as one of the totally confused. There's no doubt he likes girls, and he has some friends who are girls. However, he goes to his high school classes and female teachers and students completely denigrate males. He's one of the few who will challenge them, and he gets nothing but grief for his troubles. I'm surprised his mother and I haven't got a call from the principal yet, but someday we probably will.

    Now he's looking at colleges, and he had his heart set on a California school until he heard about the Yes Means Yes law. We told him not to let it scare him away from California, but I'm wondering if I'm going to have to draft up a disclosure and consent agreement for him to take on dates and get signed.

    My son is a sweet kid, but I can see the beginnings of misogynism, and who can blame him? I think back to all the great interactions I had with the opposite sex in high school and college (only a few which involved any kind of sex), and it's just not happening for him.

    I had a friend who went to New York and was extremely frustrated because she could not find a meaningful relationship. Her brother finally told her to quit trying to prove she was superior to every man she met and sure enough, she was engaged within a year. The larger point is that what used to be ironically called the battle of the sexes has actually become a battle, a competition. I do not know a single heterosexual male who wants to be in competition with a female with whom he is in a relationship. And definitely none that want to be in any kind of relationship with a strident feminist.

    Mostly they want feminine females, how about that! That doesn't mean subservient or submissive, but it does mean they want someone who cares about they way she looks, who will let the man act like a man, who doesn't think bearing children is a patriarchial plot, who notwithstanding their own professional accomplishments (which I don't think threatens as many males as supposed) will take some time to ask about him and his work and interests.

    Sure, computers and online pornography are taking their toll. My son is a bit of a nerd, and that doesn't help. But is he any different than my own father, who was nerdy as hell growing up, became an engineer, found a nice gal who took the time to see through the nerdiness, see him for what he was, and they were married and raised 3 fine children (I'm putting myself in that group).

    Girls have always been more mature as teenagers, and a long time ago mothers taught their daughters: to his virtues be oh so kind, to his flaws a little blind. To some women that may seem unfair, but for those who are frustrated by the current situation, they might want to try a little kindness, blindness, and femininity. It worked with my dad, it worked with me, and I'm pretty sure that's going to be the only thing that works with my son, if there are any of those type of women still out there.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    I see this pretty clearly now that I have a son and daughter. At one of my son's parent/teacher meetings the teachers said my boy had said something that shocked a group of girls he was talking to (and got into trouble over it). I asked what he had said and nobody actually knew. "Well, I can't address it unless I know what he said." It was like I was talking Martian. Didn't matter what he said. He's a boy. He shouldn't talk.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 4 months ago
    At a local South Carolina bookstore, three of fifteen staff are from California. All moved for the same reasons--too expensive and too much nuttiness in the former Golden State. With that said, hope your son is able to attend the school of his choice, be it in California or elsewhere.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 4 months ago
    Damn, glad I am doing short time. Lived through the sixties and had a blast. Seventies and eighties big fun. Now I find great pleasure at work and enjoy my daughter and wife at home. No way would I want to be a young man today.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Heterosexual men are giving up sex? I never thought I'd see that headline.

    If it's true, how will I convert from modern currencies to ancient stores of value.
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 4 months ago
      The legacy of porn. Too bad young men are suckered into believing that masturbation is equal to real sex, we wouldn't have a negative population growth (not including the illegal, gov't-endorsed immigration).
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        I think that's too simplistic of an answer.
        Young men want to have real sex, but in an environment where any clumsy attempt at breaking the ice has the very real possibility of being called out as predatory harassment, most young men are too paralyzed to even make the attempt.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago
    For those truly trying to grow in wisdom regarding this trend, may I please ask that you read the Bible, the book of Romans, chapter 1, verses 18-30.

    For those without the ability to stomach the above, there is no hope because you cannot escape yourself; however, I am asking and pleading that you read the above passage.

    I am happy to discuss and how it connects with these articles.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      Flanap, with respect, as I'm sure others here have mentioned, this is a forum on Objectivism.

      I'm also sure that there are other Internet fora geared toward bible study and discussion as it pertains to current social trends.

      Thank you for you interest.
      Perhaps one of those other fora would be better suited.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
    I read both articles. It is quite concerning. I will add that feminists certainly got their foot in the door and pushed wide and now they are destroying our homes. But I will also lay some of the blame at organized religions' doorstep. Traditional thoughts and culture pushing regarding sex. That somehow we cannot have open and honest discussions about sex. Our society failed that long before the feminists roared and it was somewhat how feminism got its start. We are still in infancy as a culture in understanding so much about sexuality. For instance: where do men and women learn about how to make sure a sexual partner feels comfortable especially the first time? Someone may consent and then something can go wrong in the middle (by that I mean one partner suddenly feels uncomfortable). No one talks much about how to handle those situations and that just because someone became uncomfortable the other partner understands what's going on. I'm guessing here but I bet there's lots of college kids (and HS kids) having sexual relationships where no one is saying much of anything because both partners are insecure and making lots of assumptions about what the other partner is thinking. I'm just bringing up the conversation.
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    • Posted by Kerryo 9 years, 4 months ago
      As a woman, I've always said that feminists don't represent me. At least not anymore. Like most things, the feminist movement is about power. I think what these articles describe is a logical progression of the increase in power that women have experienced.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
        I'm in total agreement about the movement. I think as a kid I had some Disney idea of feminists. When I went to college and there was some overlap between classes I took in literature and women's studies-that was the first I came up against feminists in real life. Mean and bullying does even begin to describe it. Some of the self-proclaimed feminists moved in a group like a gang and college freshmen would scurry out of their way until they "understood" the rules. I also naively attended my first "Take Back the Night." My university did have some really bad policiesabout rape reporting. you know the kind of rape we all can agree on-someone jumping out of the bushes and grabbing unsuspecting students. You'd want to know if that was happening near where you walked or lived. So I went, and the feminazis were there screaming and chanting and yelling with their fists in the air. I left, because that bonfire was scarier to be at than any frat party I attended
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