Bill Gates - Economic moron

Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 5 months ago to Economics
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According to Gates, someone who spends money on goods/services, is not delivering as much value to society as one who is investing in their business. But if there wasn't consumption, then the investment in business would be wasted. Economic moron.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For some reason they have a difficult time understanding that it is a system. It cannot function only with one side or the other. Those that want to advocate that it is only investment fail to recognize that without consumers, that investment is wasted. Likewise, those who want to look only at consumption fail to recognize that if there aren't incentives for investment, the goods to consume will not exist. Only when there are consumers for goods, and investments in creating those goods will the system function. It is a simple concept that so many fail to understand. The hard part is that there is no "crystal ball" that tells investors what to create that consumers will purchase. That takes knowledge and some bit of luck. Beta was a better format, Blackberry had better security, and Lotus 123 was a better spreadsheet, yet they all have fallen (OK, BB isn't dead yet, but they're on life-support).
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  • Posted by lonerinfl 9 years, 5 months ago
    There is a point to what BG said, but if there is no marketability of the product you produce then there is no profit. It is a point many great accounts of great wealth being created by giving away the primary product. IE: dos and Windows, cannot deny that Gates is one of the richest men in the world. And if there is nothing new to be a better thing there is no desire to spend money. Still Gates has fallen into the part of wealth that does make many dislike his views since he cannot give enough money away to offset his taxes. And he now does not worry about next weeks or next months bills. So he says things that do not apply to the masses.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And we're all riding around on Segway's, aren't we? There are 2 aspects, and both are essential. There are many more failures than successes.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, Microsoft never developed anything themselves that was worth anything. Remember Bob? They were good at buying up technology then getting the gov't to mandate its use. They also gave the operating system away to computer manufacturers that then locked in DOS and later Windows use.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that's the funny thing about wealth creation. No one knew they wanted a car, no one knew they wanted a personal computer, no one knew they needed the internet. All of these inventions did solve problems but people tend to deal in the here and now. Demand can certainly be a driver, but it's development of technology that creates stuff from nothing. It is not consumption.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 5 months ago
    I question anything the leftist, Gates, has to say. While I applaud his achievements, I don't see how he has any ground to talk about anything out his area of expertise. If he has one at this point in his life. If he had not had Daddy's money behind him, we wouldn't know who he is. Perhaps.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't get me wrong, we need to drastically reduce the scope/expanse of gov't. But, if we're going to collect tax, then consumption is better than income. That's the only point that I'm making.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's an awful lot of tracking. You sure you want to go there? Doesn't sound to me like a limited government...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That could be prevented by using a system where income is reported, and savings are reported (which would need to be distinctly defined - capital investment would be included). The difference is consumption.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm of mixed feelings there. Are savings the precursor to investment? Yes. But should we be penalizing people based on their available assets or on their use of them? If we tax based on consumption, you encourage hoarding - not investment. I'm not convinced this is a wise course of action.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unions at FMC were unnecessary. The same is not true for GM. The problem with unions (and any hierarchy of power) is that those in positions of power see maintaining that power as more important than the mission of the organization.

    As has been said and proven by centuries of demonstrated examples: Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. One of the reasons our founders tried to craft a system with very little power, or at least little in any particular branch.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True enough, but if there were no demand, there would be no consumption. Lots of businesses have invested and gone bust due to over estimating the customer demand. You cannot merely have investment, which is what BG seems to be alluding to. It is a mathematical equation and both elements are required. If either is zero, then the outcome is zero.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct. If there are no controls, then you have no sovereignty. It is the very essence of control that conveys sovereignty.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes it does. Gates, Microsoft, and other high tech companies are perpetually in front of congress demanding that H1C visa quotas be increased. They say there aren't the workers in the US, but what they really mean is that there aren't enough CHEAP workers. Those with the skills are here.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 5 months ago
    Bill Gates funded initiatives to legalize gay marriage and promote gun control in Washington state. For all I know, he probably funded the initiative to legalize pot, as well. The average American can't believe anything this guy says or does.
    If I weren't so dependent on Windows...I'd boycott him as I'm already doing to Amazon.com for the same reasons.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He was able to do this because he created a market and a manufacturing system for which he had few competitors. This created wealth which allowed him to retain quality employees. When you pay your workers more providing they are productive, you turn out higher quality product more efficiently. It ends up saving you time and money. Then unions came along...
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  • Posted by eddieh 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Henry Ford doubled the worker's salary and reduced the workweek hours to 40 so the workers could own the cars they produced. That way he could get and keep productive workers.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the u.s., sir, has screwed up by dissolving its border.
    I will not dissolve the border at my front door, and
    anyone not invited in will be confronted directly.

    a nation is an extended family, with inherent worth,
    based on culture and constitution and laws and
    shared "ideological wealth" ... and we need not
    share willy-nilly;;; I will not adopt a person just
    because they want to be adopted. -- j

    p.s. oops -- the "sir" was presumptuous;; apologies
    if errant term.

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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago
    yes! both supply *and* demand are required!!! -- j

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  • Posted by bassboat 9 years, 5 months ago
    It's not the perfect answer but a step in the right direction would be to implement the Fair Tax. Perhaps when people saw how much of their money went to the federal government for each purchase that they made they might just want to hold their congressmen to some accountability.
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