The Economics of Debt, Deterioration, Deflation, Depression, and Disorder, by Robert Gore | STRAIGHT LINE LOGIC

Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 5 months ago to Economics
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Governments and central banks around the world have stretched ultra-low—or in some cases negative—interest rates, sovereign debt, debt monetization, and the promotion of consumption and speculative bubbles to historic extremes (see “A Skyscraper of Cards,” 10/19/14). Metaphysically, just stating the idea that value and real economic growth can be created by governments borrowing money, creating money, and using that created money to buy their own debt casts heavy suspicion on the whole enterprise. It sounds like magic, and it is. Reality confirms the skeptics. While these policies can produce short-term increases in growth and goose financial markets, in the long run those effects are reversed and the net effect is contractive rather than expansionary.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago
    Value only comes as a product of hard work. It can come in no other way. There is no such thing as easy money - that is an illusion sold by snake-oil salesmen and liberals whose idea of easy money is theft by taxes.

    My only hope is that these international bankers reap what they have sowed - absolutely nothing.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
      "Value only comes as a product of hard work. "
      Yes! All the value comes from serving one another in mutually-agreed trades.

      Don't worry about pepole who are trying to create value through trickery. The real value comes from people serving one another for money or trade.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 5 months ago
    The problem with ultra-low interest rates is that so many retirees are counting on interest rates at several percent to finance their retirements. It will take a little while for the house of cards to collapse, but by then those politicians will be "made" (in the mafia sense).
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago
      Yup. It's amazing how many life insurance salesmen still use 8% as their base figure for ROI, even when in today's world that's a pretty aggressive figure for low-risk investments like those undertaken by life insurance companies.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago
    Well stated SLL! I suspect the hammer is going to come down hard in the next round. Sure want to be wrong but hear too many stories of people's credit card debt to believe I will be wrong. Spoke with a financial coach that told me he is amazed at what he is seeing in peoples finances. They either do not have a choice or have not learned a single thing from the last crash.
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    • Posted by JanelleFila 9 years, 5 months ago
      "They do not have a choice or have not learned a single thing from the last crash."

      Well said! I think it's a combination of both. Saving money, paying off debt, working two jobs, buying on cash only, delaying self-gratification...those things are all hard. Like dieting, it is no fun to deny yourself, especially when everyone around you has the things you want. So I think most people tell themselves that it won't happen again, that the economy is better (gas prices are lower!). They truly trick themselves into believing what they want to be true (so they can have their cake and eat it, too), although if they were honest with themselves they know they are setting themselves up for future disaster. But cross that bridge when we get to it, right? Who know how the government will have decided to bails us out by then? Why worry about something now that the government will fix later? Unfortunately, that's the rationale for a lot of people.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    This is conflating two separate but important issues: debt and the changing labor market. The debt is a problem that should have been delt with long ago. I really hope we address it before it becomes a major crisis.

    The changing labor market is due to automation. That will continue to shake things up in the world. People don't need as many people to help them run a factory, but they do need help in hospitality, medical care, fast food. Watch for fast food to be automated too. It used to be there was value in assembling an electronic gadget. Now that's commoditized. There's not even as much value in designing the guts. The value is the cool industrial design. That's what the labor market is demanding in the world. It's always changing.
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  • Posted by bz1mcr 9 years, 5 months ago
    Some thing can be "a medium of exchange" and some can be a store of value. Those that can be both are real money. GOLD is the best example I know of. Paper currencies have proven to always end up failing as a store of value.
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  • Posted by bz1mcr 9 years, 5 months ago
    I wish it were not so.....but it seems to be logical and make sense. In my 68 years on earth, every time I have believed something that did not seem logical, I later learned it was not what it was said to be. Beware those who penalize, real production and saving, they are all thieves!
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
    Somehow my dino memory just got jogged about a rare time I watched The Five on Fox News, which comes on at 4PM in my time zone. There are only two guys in the five. The rest are looker gals with conservative smarts. Fox can sure find a lot of smart lookers by the way, but I digress.
    Eric Bolling said something about the USA being in such debt is dangerous to liberal Bob Beckel in his trademark suspenders. Beckel just calmly shrugged and resounded with some deflective there's nothing to worry about remark.
    I saw this like a year ago and do not remember the exact words used, but I still think of it as an Alfred E. Neuman "What, me worry?" moment.

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    "Money can be broadly defined as whatever enjoys widespread acceptance as a medium of exchange and store of value—a means of saving—within an economy."
    A medium of exchange and store of value are completely different things. If I only have electronic circuit boards to offer, but I want groceries, transportation, heat, clothes, etc, I need money or some medium of exchange. If I'm planning for paying for my kids' college or the medical bills resulting from all the Taco Bell, Scotch and aging (I hope we cure it eventually.), that's a completely different thing.
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