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If you were to shrug, where would you do it?

Posted by Mike_Quinta 11 years, 2 months ago to Government
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With the technology Big Brother has today (spy cams, GPS phone tracking, drones, etc.), it’s unlikely a Galt’s Gulch would survive hidden anywhere within U.S. borders.

Which raises the question: where do you shrug?

1. Blend in among the looters and moochers and hope no one notices?

2. Or find sanctuary in another country?


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  • Posted by Chortovka 11 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm looking at moving the end of the year. I lived in Spain for 8 years so I know I can fit into other cultures.
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  • Posted by terrycan 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That is awesome. The reason I asked is because I am a CNC machinist. Currently working for Boeing. There is a very small machine shop in my garage.
    My goal is to have a small machine shop business in retirement.
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  • Posted by Neil 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I have a 25kw and 35kw genset. This year I am building a power distribution center and will be able to supply power to other customers in 2014. By adding power meters to each business, I will be able to sell off some of the business units. As profitable businesses, others can succeed because they won't have to build a septic, add a well, or become a generator operator.
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  • Posted by Neil 11 years, 1 month ago
    McCarthy, Alaska. I found my gulch, in the most unlikely of places. Inside the largest National Park in the country, (Wrangell St Elias) I have been able to restore a significant part of a tiny ghost town: create an award winning restaurant, re-imagine 2 little hotels, a saloon, a grocery & hardware store. Each business unit is a unique paradigm in hospitality. 300 miles from any support, I am able to attract amazing talent, create unique experiences for my guests, and satisfy my need to create without coercion. (I use to work in technology).
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  • Posted by CapeEsperance 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Uncommon, thanks, I'll put the book on my list. The totalitarians (of all parties) have just about ruined our country with social experiments, doing things for the children, and passing out "crack cocaine" ($$$) to anyone they can enslave. I can only hope it is only the islamists we have to worry about, but with the talk of drones and the like, i am no longer sanguine life will be as we know it for long. I'll keep watching for your posts and engage from time to time. Thank you for your service. I remain connected with some active duty folks and it is different from only a few years ago. They remain in good spirits, and are are attentive to the constitution. I remain confident at this point that the totalitarians won't be able to use them against us.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for replying. I was wondering when you were going to come back. I can see you obviously get the seriousness of the crisis we (not just the U.S., but The West) are facing. Throwing $$ at the Islamic problem doesn't work. (Try telling this to the Demunists) In fact, the muslims view that as us giving alms (jizzya) because we are Dhimmi's. How do we undo the indoctrination of Islam? When they are brought up to hate everyone who isn't a muslim, how do you reach out to someone like that?

    I can't describe for you with precise words the look of hate my family and I received while living in Turkey. It never stopped. The lying over stupid, small things, and the crap that was stolen from us, and there was nothing we could do. I'm sure you know that every country that Islam has conquered was previously either Jewish or Christian and those conquered countries NEVER were Jewish or Christian again. The process of Islamization has been the same for 1400 years. Why? Because IT WORKS. I strongly (foot stomping) recommend you read Brigitte Gabriels "They must be stopped". That story took place in 1975 in Lebanon ~ once a Christian country, but not anymore.

    Yes, I've seen the disgusting changes being made at the GO level and frankly, it frightens me. Our enemies must be beyond thrilled. Psychological victories have always gone a long way in enabling victory in any war. I find the lack of Real Men, both in the military, and in the elected offices disturbing. We will never get Strategic Ingenuity in the fight against Islam (because that's what this war is really about, not tactics) as long as we have muslims influencing our policy makers in the Pentagon and with the Under Secretary of Defense. Here's a case-in-point: Did we hire Nazi Leaders to help us develop a strategy to defeat Nazi Germany in WWII? Ok, so why then would we hire muslims, who are obliged to LIE to us in this fight against Islam? Did we hire British Generals to help us fight them during the Revolutionary War? (I'm very frustrated as you can tell)

    Did you know it took muslims 10 years to conquer most of Spain? Did you also know it took the remaining Spaniards another 700 years to kick them out? How did they do it? WAR, and the end of it through threats of violence. (The irony of it all, I know) They didn't do it by being nice and politically correct.
    Now, most people I've spoken with on this subject, (in person) usually tell me 'that was then, this is now. Islam is different today.' That's when I tell them about the 19,000+ attacks Muslims have done against The West since 9/11. The next excuse that follows that is usually 'but the terrorists were practicing an extreme form of Islam'. That's when I say the final thing that gets these people silent, "Have you read the Koran? The Sura (capitalized means Mohammed's life) and the Hadith?" No? Ok, read them and then let's talk ~ the point is Islam today is the same Islam as it was 1400 years ago. To change Islam means Mohammed would have to change. Since Mohammed is considered the "perfect" muslim, how do you or anyone expect to convince a muslim to change something that's considered perfect? I don't see this situation getting any better until we can somehow convince muslims to challenge their ideology. Which they can't because that means death.

    In the end, after you and I are killed off, the fight will then be left between the muslims and the communists, I'm sorry, the democrats. My $$ is on the muslims victory. Why? Muslims believe they'll get 72 virgins in paradise. Communists don't believe in anything after death, so...yeah. Who do you think has the incentive to fight?

    Thanks for serving your Country. I did just over 20 years and for the most part, I don't miss it. I feel bad our folks in the military though, they are not a happy bunch.
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  • Posted by CapeEsperance 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Uncommon, finally getting back to this.
    The best education i ever received was at the Naval War College. I focused in one of my trimesters on insurgencies, and each one is unique. I cannot say i agree with a 'pure' Vlad approach. But i do not have an alternative, as i do not have any (let alone sufficient) knowledge to recommend an approach. Successful counter insurgency efforts focused on winning the hearts and minds of the populace and implemented policies that reduced ability of the insurgents to sustain themselves. Sooner or later they are dependent on local populace to provide 'comfort.' Religious mandate (islam) exacerbated by a cultural one (tribal) requires strategic ingenuity that our leadership lacks.
    An admiral in the korean war said something like: we lost command of the seas to a country who used turn of the century weapons deployed from vessels built at the time of christ. how do we influence a populace who survives on less per month than we spend at starbucks in one vist? Hamas is the biggest social organization in the middle east...should be no wonder why they won at the ballot box.
    All we have to do is see the generals and admirals signing up for biofuels and other cultural issues and is instantaneously clear they are bought and paid for. Flag lists are scrutinized by senior DoD leaders. four star promotions are scrutinized by the white house...how else do we have a president who can say policy x was not his idea, but comes from the generals?
    you and I are not that far off...although i am still noodling through Ayn Rands' philosophy and its implications. Only ready Atlas Shrugged a year ago...
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    To kill them is to engage in what THEY want: they want to die. Mohammed said the greatest glory in Islam is to kill or be killed for allah. It has nothing to do with intellectual jealousy.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm trying to understand what you're aiming for, so bear with me. If you're wondering about what technological/scientific discoveries were made during the early days of Islam, it would have to occur between 610 AD to 632 AD. Anything prior to that, especially in the BC years, has nothing to do with Islam. The Phoenicians (todays Syrians) were very dominant at that time. Religiously though, the dominant religions were either Judaism, or paganism. Christianity obviously didn't come around until approximately 35 AD.

    The only technological thing I know of that the Spaniards discovered the Islamists had was the stirrup. Now, where exactly did the stirrup come from? I don't know. It could have been from the muslims, or it could have come from someone they conquered.

    The ancient Egyptians discovered the Earth was round nearly 2,000 years before Columbus. This is not a "victory" for the muslims. In fact, it flies in the face of Mohammed's claim the earth is flat. That said, you can see why scientific discoveries weren't welcomed with open arms by followers of Islam.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    one would logically think that advancements in a society would be hard to squelch. yes, force. but it happens on an intellectual level first. this inward vs exploratory mode. I think during periods of great scientific advancement-one would hardly listen to a environmental nazi. but somehow as a society we do. and before you know it, not through force, you've got consensus that humans are bad. then you legislate over that principle, introducing force, then the nazis become radical. after all, if we agree humans are bad, then let's put into place population controls, etc. reduction in technologies, etc. and a whole society basically agrees. and that is in today's world not the 2nd century world of the middle east
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    yes! this is what I'm looking for. Why kill them? intellectual jealousy? looking forward to the post
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    uncommon, first of all, we must stick to historical facts (take the religion out of it). The people of that region developed algebra as we know it. They did have the works of greek scholars. every creation builds on others creations. they had a clear period where they were scientifically and intellectually exploratory. that came to an end. during this same period, Christians were not scientifically exploratory as a whole. I am not interested in the juxtaposition of Christianity and Islam at that time. more interested in the change in thinking of Islamic society.
    the sites you send me to I see the deception. However, this propaganda does not come from 300BC. We have historical proof about this.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    300 BC is obviously well before Mohammed's time. While I don't have the reference handy, I did read that the Islamic caliphate, beginning sometime around 1000 AD, began to kill their own philosophers because they considered what they were saying "un-Islamic". I'll be posting a very educational link about the Crusades. It was done by Dr. Bill Warner.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am just in your first paragraph, so will comment as I read further. Islamic scholars were influenced by the Greeks, but developed on their own the mathematical concept of 0(300 BC), irrational numbers, algebra, astronomical instruments, equatorium (device for finding positions of sun to moons and planets not using geometry). My point is, what went wrong.-that knowledge is based on tradition not exploration(looking inward). Pressure of crusades and mongols played a role?
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  • Posted by ogr8bearded1 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember as a kid a Mad magazine piece about what would have happened if WWII had been fought like Vietnam, only thing I really remember is that those who firebombed Dresden would have faced war crime charges.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep. The whole purpose of a war is not to die for your country/cause, but to make the other poor bastard die for his. Breaking and killing is what an army is for. If you're good enough at it the other guy doesn't screw with you.

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  • Posted by ogr8bearded1 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Islam came about 600 years after Christ, before this they were separate from the Jews, but could still be considered Hebrews and both Jews and Arabs are today Semites.

    To me, the problem started with Jacob and the Islamic faith does go back to his father Abraham and also back to Adam and Eve. The break between Hebrews occurred over a bowl of stew you could say. Esau 'sold' his birthright as firstborn of Isaac to his brother Jacob. Through deception Jacob obtained the firstborn blessing from Isaac and then fled. Later Jacob returned and became Israel and Esau left and became the Edomites, an enemy of Israel. What is happening in the Middle East is the longest running family feud in the history of man.

    If you would like a good historical reference to the region I suggest you read this page in particular and the other pages if you prefer to know even more. http://www.swedenborgstudy.com/books/C.T...
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    When you read Islamic doctrine, it becomes very clear. The science that Mohammed presents is basically a distortion of well-known Greek science at that time. The propaganda and deception about Islam and science is pervasive. This information dominance has been infecting our universities since the 1950’s. I disagree with the statement you made “preserved the works of Aristotle”. It’s imperative for you to read about Islam on your own. And it is not possible to learn the truth from Islamic sources because of Taqqiya (obligated lying) and Kitmon (lies by omission) and the use of deception is considered sacred.

    I recommend you check out the following sites to help you further your understanding: www.politicalislam.com, www.Thereligionofpeace.com, and www.prophetofdoom.net. The videos made by Christian Prince of www.investigateislam.org, go into the doctrine in fine detail because he understands Arabic, if you have the time.

    The deception that the “advances” have been made by Islamic civilizations in science and math is simple propaganda. The evidence shows me that the people they conquered suffered even further humiliation by losing their history and credit for their own discoveries and technology. Islam claims ownership of whatever scientific advances the conquered culture has, as their own. This trend is seen when Muslims tell us that Jesus was a Muslim, Abraham was a Muslim, and even the Native American were Muslims. This deception is also evident in the refusal to allow Jews in Israel to dig the ground and prove their “occupation” of the Holy Lands at least 1500 years prior to Muhammad’s birth.

    I have other links to that further show the depth of deception by Islam, and I will post them separately.

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  • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand your position. I'm not all for bloodshed, but at the same time the brutes are leaving us with no choice. Unfortunately, this is how Islam has been winning against the West. While you and I discuss the best way to get them to realize a greater awareness, they are slaughtering us without pause.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Observation over the years - I've known many men (my father in law being one) who never made it past Lt. Colonel, because they had too much integrity (or like mom says, too big a mouth!) to "go along" with the politically correct philosophy du jour. Being a flag officer means you have to be both a politician and a military leader...and usually tor former at the expense of the latter.
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  • Posted by $ brewer37 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The farther the military gets away from focusing on killing people and breaking things, the worse we get at war... which is killing people and breaking things until your opponent gives up.
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