More on need for non-institutional education

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago to Education
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I loved shop class. I learned classical drafting (pencil, vellum, and straightedge), architectural design and modeling, woodcrafting, metalworking and welding (spot, oxy-acetylene, and arc), and how NOT to cut my fingers off using woodworking tools.

I just visited my old school - now my children's current school - and all that equipment is gone. Such a shame to take away all that practical experience.
SOURCE URL: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-28/shop-class-as-job-craft-vocational-training-gets-new-funding


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  • Posted by $ Commander 9 years, 6 months ago
    I concur. I have a 20 year-old training in my machine shop. He's completing week six today. No background from the school system. I'm pushing him hard because I see aptitude. He knows I have a need for next generation skill....leading to the potential of partnership/ownership for him. I am paying him to train him...my risk....so proud today....25% raise in his pay to reflect his productive effort.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 6 months ago
    I received the World War Z paperback (a fiction collection of individual accounts very unlike the movie) for a Christmas present.
    In one of the accounts, survivors of the zombie apocalypse with now obsolete desk jobs ( no internet for PCs) were being trained to use old-fashioned shop skills that they used to pay other people to do.
    These retrained workers found they received far more satisfaction from being able to replace a toilet or wire a new house than they had from their desk jobs.
    That bit of fiction possessed a clear ring of truth.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 6 months ago
    The most valuable thing $5Au learned in shop class was that he sucked at it and should find a career that didn't involve building stuff.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago
      ... and that's an important part of life... learning what you're good at and what you're not good at. The more things you try, the more things you'll discover you're good at... or not... :)

      My middle-school shop teacher was a curmudgeon and coupling that with my lack of self-confidence, I didn't get much of a chance to learn about the tools available in the shop.

      Later in life, I discovered that I had a LOT of 'mechanical skills' involving shop tools, welding and automobiles. (and later, computers and a few other things, too.)

      My (step-) grandchildren have been incredibly lucky in that their parents have supported them to try anything and everything they've shown an interest in. Makes me jealous as well as proud.

      And it's never too late to try new things. I turn 69 next month and I just discovered wood turning two or three years ago. And now I'm 'turning out' things much better than I was just months ago, too!

      Oh, and that reminded me of the time a friend taught me how to solder copper tubing for home plumbing repairs. I replaced a hot water heater that required something like ten or fifteen soldered joints, and No Leaks when I finished. And all sorts of electrical repairs around the house, too. I put a Heatilator Fireplace into my first house and added a faux-brick façade to it. A neighbor-contractor/builder visited one day and his jaw dropped... "Where did you learn to lay bricks that well?!" he asked. I smiled... it had been my first attempt at anything like that, and the results were beautiful. Then, of course, we very soon sold the house and moved... :)

      Life's like that, too.

      Go for it! Everything!
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 6 months ago
    The only shop class I ever attended, believe it or not, was in the first grade. Now you have the idea that manual labor should be beneath a child's notice. And that's why, if a car breaks down on a major highway, you're screwed. Back in the day, a driver was supposed to know how to get a car going again.
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    • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 6 months ago
      The thing that happened with me here is the electronics put into all new vehicle increasingly from the 1970's. I used to have an old Chevy pickup that you could work on, you could climb in under the hood with the engine there was so much room. And, wherever you were, you could work on it and get it going. That was the only way I got out of Death Valley once. You could carry spare points, distributor caps, rotors, spark plugs, wires, filters - almost anything you might need. You could back off timing with the distributor and control oxygen mixtures. And the only "pollution control" was a PCV valve. Now, if a major electronic component goes down, you're screwed. Have a comprehensive towing benefit and cell phone coverage.
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago
        Exactly! And those are perfect examples of the tradeoffs 'we've' demanded over the decades since the early '70s.

        Want low engine emissions? Can't achieve the legal specs with carburetion. Requires computer-controlled fuel injection and multiple sensing and feedback loops. Carburetors and mechanical-feedback fuel injection could meet 1960s specs very well, but not after about 1973.

        Likewise electronic ignition, a necessity to allow a distributor to 'distribute' the ignition sparks reliably, consistently and under precise control, again to meet the specs "WE" imposed on the machinery.

        And to achieve the highest degrees of safety and reliability, there's pretty no 'mechanical' way to provide anti-skid, air bags and traction control that can meet the specifications and demands that have been put onto our motor vehicles since the '70s and '80s.

        I loved my '69 car. I could change the oil, clean the plugs, set the timing to match the fuel grade I was filling the tank with, scrape the oxides off the contacts under the distributor, change and install the points and condenser (and I even understood how the 'condenser' worked in that simple circuit!) and I could remove, rebuild and replace the carburetor faster than the engine block could cool off.

        Today, my car is a computer with tires and steering wheel. There is NO mechanical connection between the 'gas pedal' and the engine AT ALL, and the layout and design make it a real pain to even think of changing the oil and filter.

        Isn't progress wonderful? My First Law... "The Whole World is a Tradeoff" and those are some great examples of why that Law is spot on.

        Happy motoring. ps. If your car breaks down, turn on your cell phone and call AAA or a friend or relative to help you. That's 'progress,' too, isn't it?
        :)
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago
    This insanity about 'going to college", without actually thinking about what you want to learn needs to just stop. Before you set yourself up for student debt, wouldnt it be wise to figure out WHAT you want to learn, and HOW it will benefit you??
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 6 months ago
    The loss of so many vocational skills is going to ruin this country. It's sad to see the neglect of these skills in this country. I fought to have it in the local high school, unfortunately I was in the minority. I just don't understand what is happening to the younger generation, none of them wants to get their hands dirty!
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 6 months ago
    I always wonder who would do our drafting, woodworking, metalworking, welding, and learn not to cut off their fingers if they ever had to use a bandsaw or a tablesaw, if no one learned these skills. If everyone took a strictly academic curriculum in school who would do this kind of work? This administrations college for everyone plan would kill us, we'd be living in the streets. I know some people that can't figure out how to untangle the chain of a running toilet these days. One recently even told me, "I didn't even know that lid came off", referring to the tank lid.
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  • Posted by eddieh 9 years, 6 months ago
    I speak of this all the time I have become very talented at auto and home repair and have saved thousands of dollars. My five year old grandson is already handling tools and I am teaching him as much as I can because he won't get that in school. I believe we all need to have some self reliant on skills when or world comes tumbling down around us.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
    I wasn't all that good at shop back then, but when I needed to learn wiring, drilling, sawing, etc. for my work, I became competent because I had to do so. Now I do more of it than ever. I make sure that my college students learn that side of engineering. I don't want them to embarrass themselves in that respect.
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  • Posted by RTM2301 9 years, 6 months ago
    I suspect that a lot of the removal of technical skills from education is because of trade secrecy; companies don't want "ordinary" people able to repair their products because then they fear that anyone could build them themselves and put manufacturers and repairmen out of business, leaving only sellers of tools and parts.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 9 years, 6 months ago
    Reality Check needed, none of that is used anymore. Now it's all CAD and GIS, requiring a computer background. Everything today requires additional education of some kind.
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    • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 6 months ago
      Fortunately, I got a dose of both. Table saws to GIS. I've got all these tools, but also, they almost all need electricity. Fortunately also, I inherited all my ancestors hand tools. But, how long can I last?
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 6 months ago
    Seriously, are there no trades initiatives in American highschools, these days? Where I live, in BC, the highschools are all offering trades apprentice programs starting in grade eleven... and STILL so many parents don`t seem to be advising their kids to sign up! In fact, many letters of outrage from "artsy" parents are chastising the government for trying to push so many kids towards trades. It is disgusting-- especially since these same people whine about importing temporary foreign workers (TFWs) into the province to work the jobs few BC residents are willing to work!
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    • Posted by $ number6 9 years, 6 months ago
      The progressives in this country feel ALL should go to college. They also felt that, in the past,there was a disproportionate number of minorities being guided to technical type high schools where students would learn a trade. So they canceled many of those programs.

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      • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 6 months ago
        In public they say all should go to college, but privately some progressives confess that they mean all smart people (liberals) should go paid for by the worker bees (dumb conservatives).
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago
        And the irony is that many, if not virtually all hands-on 'trade jobs' can't be offshored, because the worker MUST be on-site HERE to do the work!

        Many 'intellectual jobs' requiring college degrees or technical skills can be done by anyone with adequate skills and training, from anywhere in the world!

        It seems to take a Ph.D. in Rocket Science nowadays for folks to figure that out!

        Lousy thinking.
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