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Winery Closes Doors After State Fines Them Over Volunteers and Wine-Making Classes

Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people.”
John Locke

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  • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Matcha,
    Is your comment intended for me? I am a free market proponent. I don't like regulation, properly defined.
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 7 months ago
    Permalink. Sorry. My earlier comment was for you.
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  • Posted by Matcha 9 years, 7 months ago
    Funny. You don't sound like someone who has the mindset of Ayn Rand. You sound like someone who likes regulation.
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly! I would never have been able to afford my own horseback riding lessons--but working at a hobby farm for three hours every Friday from the age of ten allowed me to learn some basic dressage from a happy but overworked mother of four whose family was entirely uninterested in her horses....
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago
    If Washington, D.C. had this law, Monica would have been paid ... and would had to change her status slightly...
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 7 months ago
    Preposterous! So if you volunteer to mow your elderly neighbor's lawn you are making your neighbor into a criminal or a scofflaw? No doubt there was some arm twisting and pull from behind the scenes. A wine makers lobby?
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  • Posted by bassboat 9 years, 7 months ago
    Another example of government thinking that they own your time, your body, and your freedom.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Being now retired, I'm so far below the radar I'm virtually invisible -- unless "they" are tracking my e-mails in which case I expect to be audited next year.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wow, the collusion between unions and state treasury is revolting. I find it disturbing in the extreme that you had to completely change your business model, in order to keep it yours, and not let the unions get their hooks into it. The unions are so outdated, and they are desperate to recruit new members, (marks for their extortion), that they are becoming more and more bold in their scare tactics. I'm sorry that happened to you, but glad you are below their radar now.
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  • Posted by amhunt 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not so sure it would go up. In fact I would guess it would actually go down.
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  • Posted by amhunt 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What a great experience for you non-...!
    And it really does not matter if one is a child! Imagine all of the damage that is being done and is going to be done by this horrific thinking!
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  • Posted by amhunt 9 years, 7 months ago
    Isn't it interesting. No wages were paid. So there was no income. Hence no tax liability. It takes truly twisted minds to put forth the notion a tax is still somehow owed.
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  • Posted by amhunt 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is good to see that others understand the true nature of taxation! Thinks Indiana...!
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  • Posted by Zero 9 years, 7 months ago
    Y'know, the real horror here is that those poor folks probably still owe that money.

    Such a small business was probably not incorporated.

    Those lousy b@st@rds not only closed a business, but quite possibly ruined two lives!


    Sooo many lives.

    Real People's Lives.


    I'm sorry, but, well...
    When is enough Enough?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I 'm not sure if some of your points are relevant ie comparisons to Montana, Colorado and Nevada. Been to plenty of mom and pop wineries outside of Oakland and operations did not have significant numbers of employees. I can imagine trading my labor to gain a skill. I once wanted to volunteer time to build haybale houses. Why does the govt have to be a stake holder in that trade? The assets of the owner and the business are irrelevant to the trade. Your cynacism against companies is a tell for me that you want to avoid rational arguments against state over -reach by assuming the business owners are not behaving morally. Ok but that claim is more extraordinary than govt intrusion including signifigant "revenues " from fines.

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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't say I agreed with it... I'm stating the facts as they are. California has an awesome climate and very high incomes relative to the rest of the country, people (here) will continue to put up with it.
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  • Posted by $ root1657 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    well in all fairness we thought when all the pot heads moved to Colorado that San Francisco would be empty, which might have been enough to shift CA red.

    Anyone want to donate to a program to give bulk bus rides to people in SF to get them to CO? :)
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