EV’s stuck for days unable to charge in frozen Chicago : “A bunch of dead robots”
Posted by freedomforall 4 months ago to Government
How many times do we have to warn the EV morons about obvious reality?
Excerpt:
"“Plugged in and not charging”
In the deep freeze this week, people all over Canada and the USA are finding out how complicated it is to own an EV in cold weather.
Not only do the cars lose a hefty 30 to 50% of their range, but the battery itself can’t accept charge if it gets too cold, so EV’s need to precondition their batteries before they can start to charge. (To precondition is EV-jargon for “warming them up”.) However, there is a point, as temperatures fall, where batteries cannot even heat themselves enough so they can start charging. They have to drain the battery to charge the battery. It’s a death-spiral towards a frozen singularity.
How cold is too cold? The ideal temperature for charging an EV is 15 – 35°C (or 60-95 F) so some advise preconditioning the battery when it’s below 15C. But the charging speed declines as the chemical reactions slow down, and it reaches nothing at about 0°C (32F). So if the car is minus five, the battery won’t even accept a charge.
At the supercharging station in Oak Brook Chicago, people have been trying for days to charge their EVs, which are stuck immobile at the charging station while the queues grow. People without a home charger are rather screwed:
“Dead cars line parking lot due to frigid temps”
Dane Placko, Fox News
“Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent,” said Tyler Beard, who has been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon. “And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday.”
Beard was among the dozens of Tesla owners trying desperately to power up their cars at the Tesla supercharging station in Oak Brook. It was a scene mirrored with long lines and abandoned cars at scores of other charging stations around the Chicago area.
“This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously,” said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.
So not only do we “need” a lot more superchargers, and a bigger grid, and more electricity, but we probably need to enclose and heat those garages as well, and maybe put in some hotel rooms and office space for people to do something while they wait…
Just read the dramas of one poor EV driver who “forgot to plug the car in at -39°C one night.
The battery was at 28% but when he woke up the battery was 0% with warnings that the vehicle was shutting down. He tried to run to the house to grab the charger, but it was too late. When he returned — everything was dead to the point he couldn’t charge it. He rang the Tesla helpline and they sent someone out to jump start the 12V battery. But charging still didn’t work.
He pleaded for advice: “right now passenger side window is half down and stuck, both batteries are dead. I can’t charge main battery until I can charge 12V I guess. I bought 12V charger from Home Depot. Even this thing not charging 12V. I did some research and found out that this battery charger can’t charge a dead battery. Nearest Tesla station is Edmonton and I’m Grande Praire. Towing cost will be more than 500. I bought Tesla December 22. Any thoughts or suggestions…”
Maybe he can run an electric blanket out from the house and warm up the battery?"
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Stupid moron.
Excerpt:
"“Plugged in and not charging”
In the deep freeze this week, people all over Canada and the USA are finding out how complicated it is to own an EV in cold weather.
Not only do the cars lose a hefty 30 to 50% of their range, but the battery itself can’t accept charge if it gets too cold, so EV’s need to precondition their batteries before they can start to charge. (To precondition is EV-jargon for “warming them up”.) However, there is a point, as temperatures fall, where batteries cannot even heat themselves enough so they can start charging. They have to drain the battery to charge the battery. It’s a death-spiral towards a frozen singularity.
How cold is too cold? The ideal temperature for charging an EV is 15 – 35°C (or 60-95 F) so some advise preconditioning the battery when it’s below 15C. But the charging speed declines as the chemical reactions slow down, and it reaches nothing at about 0°C (32F). So if the car is minus five, the battery won’t even accept a charge.
At the supercharging station in Oak Brook Chicago, people have been trying for days to charge their EVs, which are stuck immobile at the charging station while the queues grow. People without a home charger are rather screwed:
“Dead cars line parking lot due to frigid temps”
Dane Placko, Fox News
“Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent,” said Tyler Beard, who has been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon. “And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday.”
Beard was among the dozens of Tesla owners trying desperately to power up their cars at the Tesla supercharging station in Oak Brook. It was a scene mirrored with long lines and abandoned cars at scores of other charging stations around the Chicago area.
“This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously,” said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.
So not only do we “need” a lot more superchargers, and a bigger grid, and more electricity, but we probably need to enclose and heat those garages as well, and maybe put in some hotel rooms and office space for people to do something while they wait…
Just read the dramas of one poor EV driver who “forgot to plug the car in at -39°C one night.
The battery was at 28% but when he woke up the battery was 0% with warnings that the vehicle was shutting down. He tried to run to the house to grab the charger, but it was too late. When he returned — everything was dead to the point he couldn’t charge it. He rang the Tesla helpline and they sent someone out to jump start the 12V battery. But charging still didn’t work.
He pleaded for advice: “right now passenger side window is half down and stuck, both batteries are dead. I can’t charge main battery until I can charge 12V I guess. I bought 12V charger from Home Depot. Even this thing not charging 12V. I did some research and found out that this battery charger can’t charge a dead battery. Nearest Tesla station is Edmonton and I’m Grande Praire. Towing cost will be more than 500. I bought Tesla December 22. Any thoughts or suggestions…”
Maybe he can run an electric blanket out from the house and warm up the battery?"
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Stupid moron.
For example, a conscientious person doesn't engage in stealing because they fear state punishment. They don't steal because that is an anti-social behavior. It breaks an implied social contract. They don't do it because they don't want others to do it to them. It is an implied rule, an emergent law out of logic and reason. It is a demonstration of a way to derive laws without the need of a state.
One does need law enforcement though, but it doesn't need to be provided by a monopoly that imposes itself on society. If one separates law creation (discovery?) and law enforcement, then it becomes possible to have multiple law enforcement agencies that may compete with each other in providing their services to society.
I can see this system working.
I'm a voluntarist myself, by the way. IMHO, your problem exists because of state violence. If the state did not exist, this and a huge percentage of all problems on earth would not exist.
Rare earth metals aren't actually 'rare.'
Nah, ICE is terrible. You only get like 30% efficiency or so. We need to get rid of that crap asap.
Yes, by using something like a fuel cell and a liquid chemical energy storage medium.
If I put my engineering hat on, it is utter garbage. For engineers, the simpler your design is, the better. ICE engines are way too complex. They suck, IMHO.
Let me correct that for you:
When oil runs out and whatever is left becomes incredibly expensive, human ingenuity may (if not predated upon too strongly by own kind) discover and perfect financially viable methods to make portable energy possible for humankind, but ONLY IF such methods actually possible in the configuration of the current universe with the resources within human reach.
See, this isn't a given.
But I guess it already happened to some extent, so, maybe it is not too much of a stretch.
Hindenburg: Nah, didn't look like an explosion to me:
https://youtu.be/OetzoO3Csj4
The LFP and LTO chemistries are pretty tame:
https://elements.visualcapitalist.com...
https://youtu.be/Qzt9RZ0FQyM
If you use the unsafe kind of batteries, then yes, you are going to have a bad time. But I agree, batteries suck for other reasons.
By the way, electric motors don't explode or catch fire. Same with fuel cells. Hydrogen is safe enough, but with my idea of chemical H storage (ammonia or something like it) it would be even more safe (and more efficient).
Electric motors are extremely low maintenance, as far as I know. They require no oil changes. There are MUCH less parts to break. The is very little friction in them, which means low wear and tear. If you switch to magnetic bearings they'll probably work for thousands of years without needing any maintenance. When was the last time you did maintenance on your bathroom fan?
Compare that % to the % of EVs that have caught fire and destroyed property nearby.
Diesels are safer and EV's are not ready to compete head to head with ICE vehicles for the same jobs at this point.
The cost of maintaining diesels is high? How about cost of replacing EV batteries? All vehicles require maintenance
and at this point the life cycle cost of diesel engines appears to be a better bargain than EVs in the same uses.
Will hydrocarbon fuels run out some day? Since there is no certainty of the source of such fuels, nor how much is being produced
(if any) on planet earth, neither you nor anyone else knows if hydrocarbon fuel will ever run out.
In addition, you assume that EV technology will improve enough to take the place of ICE vehicles, but you also assume
that there will never be a practical way to create gasoline or diesel. I'd be glad to hear evidence for all these assumptions.
Defending ICE vehicles isn't 'stupid' as they are better for the job they do than current EVs.
Defending EV's isn't 'stupid' either, but ignoring their limitations and wasting scarce resources on EV's
that are much more costly and less effective than ICE vehicles for the job is not rational.
Hydrogen storage is a problem. It is not terribly practical. However, Toyota and Hyundai made it work already. Still, I am aware of one practical hydrogen storage technology yet to be realized: ammonia. It is pretty similar to propane. You can generate it directly from electricity (research ongoing) and you can get hydrogen from it using a catalytic reaction. Unfortunately, ammonia is corrosive and toxic. However, it is being used as fertilizer, so, maybe it is not so bad. So, hydrogen storage issue can be resolved.
Lithium batteries DO NOT explode when in contact with water. They are sealed and isolated in layers way too good for that to be an issue.
I will agree with you about the explosive potential of lithium batteries though, but that happens due to thermal runaway, not due to water. Thermal runaway with lithium batteries, as it so happens, IS put out with water. I've read people using water to put it out. It works because it lowers the temperature of the battery below the critical temperature due to water's volumetric heat capacity.
Hydrogen, on the other hand, wouldn't have any sort of explosive potential until it is mixed with an oxidizer in close to right proportion. If you have hydrogen (or any other type of fuel) in a tank alone, it is never exploding.
By the way, diesel will become flammable at the right temperature. So, I wouldn't exactly call it safe.
The problem is with oil sourced fuels is that oil is eventually going to run out. Maybe not soon, but at some point. Once you run out, it is impractical to create gasoline/diesel from some other source of energy, such as nuclear or solar.
Another problem is that gasoline/diesel engines are "stone age" contraptions. Their complexity makes them prone to break downs. They require a lot of maintenance, oil changes, etc. They are not very energy efficient, compared to electric motors.
So, defending ICE vehicles is stupid. That shit should be put to rest and more practical technology needs to be deployed.
We told ya so we told ya so we told ya so we told ya so we told ya so we told ya so we told ya so we told ya so……..
I’m well past the point of caring…..I’m possibly even past the point of helping. But I’m definitely at the point of POINTING AND LAUGHING XD
On election day, it's just perfect. ;^)
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