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to John, and Harmon, and Joan, and Scott and everyone else

Posted by $ winterwind 9 years, 8 months ago to Movies
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I haven't expressed my admiration for the unbelievably wonderful, beautifully done, thoughtfully completed piece of work that AS3 is. There have been no words.
What I, in my innocence, didn't realize until I took a "like" trip to Facebook, was that there would be an enormous outpouring of hatred of John and Harmon and Joan and Scott and everyone else involved in the making of this film. And that flood of hatred, derision, hostility - true abhorrence - is coming from people who label themselves, in some way, Objectivists, Libertarians, and fellow travelers. They pick the film apart with whiny questions and firmly stated objections, until all meaning is lost to them, and then wonder why they aren't uplifted by it.
I admire everyone involved with the movie even more now that I have had the smallest glimpse of your "reward" - again, the use of your own talents against you. If you had not had everything it took to make this movie, you would not now be being ripped apart in public by those who should have been - in fact label themselves - your supporters.
You do have, at least, my grateful thanks and admiration for your achievement.


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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh please yourself. read this and THINK
    To quote TR, "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. "
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  • Posted by shiikis 9 years, 8 months ago
    Oh Pleazzzze! Yes, I love the concept, yes I support an effort to get out the word, and yes I can clearly see a sub par product. Very dissapointed. Nuff said.
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 9 years, 8 months ago
    HERE HERE!
    Well said Winterwind.
    I took my 30 year old nuclear submarine officer son to see it on opening night in San Diego and we both enjoyed the film. The critics be damned if they cannot recognize the greatness in this enterprise. Thank you John, Harmon, Joan and Scott for this Herculean effort to produce these films.
    Cheers
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 9 years, 8 months ago
    After reading this chain, I wondered whether my review sounded like I was whining, or being picky. I decided it didn’t, at least not to me. Most of the reviews I’ve read seem to have been honest and straight forward. To me, they read simply as comments (“I would like to have seen...”), not as criticisms (“They should have done this...”).

    Like a lot of other people, there are some things I would like to have seen (or seen more of). Examples are d’Anconia’s speech at James Taggart’s wedding, Cherryl Taggart’s “awakening”, and Dagny going on Bertram Scudder’s radio program and openly discussing her affair with Rearden (to me, that speech is vitally important; it’s the first of two public broadcasts of something other than propaganda, the opening act to Galt’s headline act).

    There are also a lot of things that I thought were done brilliantly. Galt’s 3 hour speech condensed into 3 or 4 minutes, Rearden’s stance at his Unification Board hearing, Hugh Akston’s conversation with Dagny in his vineyard (best scene of the movie, in my opinion), all exceptionally well done.

    I can’t (and wouldn’t try to) speak for anyone else, but my thoughts when watching the movies and posting my review were based on the premise that those who wanted to show us Atlas Shrugged as a movie took on the almost impossible task of condensing a 62 hour audio book into 5 hours of movie, while still being able to convey the messages from the book.

    From that perspective, I think it was done extremely well.

    Each of us read the book and took away our own thoughts and impressions. Some of the ideas and situations in the book are probably viewed similarly among us, while others are probably seen quite differently from person to person.

    We were influenced by our own biases & prejudices, histories, experiences, etc.; how we comprehended what we read in the book went a long way in determining what we thought should be in the movies, what we thought shouldn’t be, what scenes should have gotten priority, and which scenes should have downplayed.

    If 100 people in The Gulch had to list 5 things from the book we would like to have seen in the movies, 5 things that were there but should have been left out, 5 things we would like to have seen more of, and 5 things we thought were well done, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see 80 or 90 or even 100 different lists.

    I think I’m safe saying that just because we all aren’t singing blind praise, it DOES NOT mean we don’t tremendously appreciate what has been done.

    Put another way, just because I’d like to have seen more of the d’Anconia speech at James Taggart’s wedding, it doesn’t mean I didn’t like what was in the movie. It simply means I would like to have seen more.

    So to John Aglialoro, Harmon Kaslow, and everyone else who helped bring this literary masterpiece to the big screen, thank you. I hope that you don’t see us as ungrateful for what you’ve accomplished simply because we’ve voiced our opinions, both good and bad.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago
    I was more than grateful to trade my value (dollars) for AS3's value (the movie). Well done. Save any future work for viewing in Atlantis, where it will be appreciated.
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  • Posted by terrycan 9 years, 8 months ago
    Well said! We have a movie trilogy. Let's enjoy it and share it.
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  • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jan..........excellent..........so much said in so few words.................................
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  • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand once said to be very careful of "perfect" and did not really like the word.............I believe she continued that the only "perfect" was the universe (or maybe existence).....can't fully remember (it was
    a long time ago).
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  • Posted by cjferraris 9 years, 8 months ago
    Went and saw ASIII last night. I thought it was a very good movie. I considered it as well as the other two. What I think most people's problem with it was that the continuity wasn't 100% from the end of ASII. I know that it wasn't perfect, but then again, it wasn't made for MY viewing only, it was to tell a story that has been far too long lost in "polite" society. Ideally, AS should have been made in the '60s, but then again, it would have been considered vast fiction from that perspective. It's like a serious version of "Idiocracy". When you first start watching the movie, you think that it's ridiculous, but as you watch it, the thought that "this could happen" will enter your mind.
    How many of us use the "moral high ground" excuse as a reason to criticize or do nothing? There is NO perfect adaptation from a book to a film, but I applaud the efforts made in this film to EDUCATE people that have no concept of Ayn Rand's message. It's a shame that there wasn't a larger budget for advertisement for this film. In my opinion, this is a must see for every high school senior who is getting ready to start their adult life.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago
    The movies are done. They are 'out there'. They have been released like bright falcons into the wind. Those who wish to detract from them may do so, but they will not change these facts. Aglialoro et al have made the story of Atlas Shrugged available on a medium where it did not exist before - and which many folk find more accessible than books.

    The jackals may yelp as they will, but they are bound to the earth.

    Fly, sunbirds, Fly!


    Jan
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 8 months ago
    I absolutely agree with "winterwind". I think Congress should pass a law that all schools must show ASI, ASII, and ASIII, to all students at least twice during each school year and require all students to write a paper on what they saw and how it might impact their lives if it were actually a true story. Since it's fiction, who could possibly object?
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  • Posted by tkstone 9 years, 8 months ago
    I had another thought. This film helped me to see another part of JG I never have before, but should have. I now understand the reason he struck was his love of life. The passion portrayed in the film opened my eyes to it like never before. Thank you for that. The passion of all the protagonists was something I had not fully appreciated before. I guess that is why I appreciated Wyatt #1 so much. His passion was on his sleeve. Had to love it. I'll never forget the dinner scene after first JG line run. Pure joy!
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  • Posted by hattrup 9 years, 8 months ago
    My thanks to the producers also - saw the movie Sunday and really enjoyed it. For me any flaws in the movie were not noticeable - paying attention to the dialogue and plot activity would make minor details hard to notice - and in many cases miss-interpreted. And I did not notice excessive scenery shots at all - the opposite if anything.
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  • Posted by $ sekeres 9 years, 8 months ago
    Add another family to the "Thank you" column. "Even if it's not the "Atlas Shrugged" I envisioned, I'm glad they made the movie(s): http://www.whoisjohngalt.com/about and I'm glad we have seen them." is our default e-mail signature.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 8 months ago
    After reading some of the so-called objectivist criticisms, what I think they wanted was another version of The Expendables 3. The down and dirty truth is that Atlas Shrugged is not movie material. It's over 1100 pages long, filled with dozens of characters, ideas, polemics, philosophy, hung upon a tale of the "future" which is as it might have looked from the 50's. But, what the makers of the three films which encompass the book knew, was that even with the three films, the most they could do was to hit the high points. The miraculous thing is that they did it, and came up with a classy trilogy, well presented and acted, beautifully filmed, with an amazing musical background. In my long career, I have been in photography, writing, and publishing. I also know people in the filming business. They were astonished at how well an impossible film came out. If you understand the book, and the intent of the movie, you should be able to grasp what a truly impressive achievement the three films were, especially #3.

    If the screenplay was written based on nothing but the ideas of the screenwriters, with the plot and action expressing to some degree the ideas found in Ayn Rand's philosophy, you would have a better movie just from the movie critic's point of view. This Not what this movie is. Those who pan the film are either ignorant about what it is, or are not what the claim to be. Anyone can call themselves an objectivist, but not everyone who uses that description Are objectivists. They're mean spirited fools.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 8 months ago
    Thank you winterwind.
    "What is wrong with people?" Rearden
    I don't want to hear it. Especially from people who have not tried to produce their own vision. It is subjective and everyone has a different opinion. You know what they say about opinions...


    Better to appreciate what someone else has done that you couldn't or wouldn't. I don't mind a few critiques, but the vitriol is out of line.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by rjkford 9 years, 8 months ago
    Winterwind, you bring a fresh, cool and calming breeze to a hot subject. If the critics think they could do tit better, then let them put it all on the table like John, Harmon, Joan, and the others like Alex and the rest. They gambled, big time. If a few hundred people get exposed to AR and her writings, and they , in turn expose more, then it was all worth it. Let me add my thanks to all involved and for letting me be a small part of it.
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  • Posted by disabledveterangoarmy 9 years, 8 months ago
    Atlas Shrugged III is a Great Movie. I believe the main reason for all the negative feedback is because the Atlas Shrugged III movie shows what is happening in America today and many choose to shoot the messenger rather than face the harsh reality today of Massive Oppressive Government Regulations and corrupt Government Officials. As America progresses down this road we are on one of two things will happen 1. American's will wakeup to the problems facing America. or 2. Continue down the path of American decline.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 9 years, 8 months ago
    Some people are too willing to sacrifice the "good" in the name of the "perfect".

    This storm will pass, and when it does some will have their achievement, some will have their enjoyment, and some will have their complaints.
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  • Posted by Radarva 9 years, 8 months ago
    There are those that do and those that complain that all is not perfect. And those that complaine also do nothing to help. The monuments are made to those who do things. When one considers that this movie was done INSPITE of Hollywood, they have done well. More importantly, they told the story and THAT is what is really important. I say well done, and to the complainers, I'd say do better, let's see it.
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  • Posted by ssns4ever 9 years, 8 months ago
    I loved the movie too. For me the best part was that I never could picture in my mind what John Galt actually looked like. Now I can. Thank you.
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