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Another analysis of Ukraine

Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago to History
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I thought I'd add one more scholarly look at the basket-case which is the Ukraine/Black Sea region. The author lays out some of the history of the region as well as the less-admirable aspects of US involvement.

Another way to look at it is the Cuban Missile Crisis - just reversed. Can anyone really fault Putin for not wanting HIMARS systems - potentially nuclear tipped - right off his border and especially in a region which has been affiliated with Russia for hundreds of years?


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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    difficult decisions for sure. hopefully we live our lives where we get treated best, and have a good life. I have to say that fighting the hordes of uneducated and irrational that seem to be everywhere in the USA just isnt for me. I would rather move if there are better places to go to. Cornered, I will fight to the death of course, but its going to need to get to that point. Otherwise, there is living in plain sight like GUS did in breaking bad, playing gray man to the statists, and enjoying the company of others who value freedom.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I will trade value for value as I see fit. It’s not my business to decide anyones value system or how they choose to address the invisible enemy. It’s an age old question of fight or flight. I certainly don’t take my life’s guidance from a story line in a fiction. For the very few who made it to Galts Gulch in that wonderful novel. Millions didn’t get to be in that club. I am not in that club either.
    So waiting to be shot like a fish in a barrel won’t do for me.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe the US should stop all foreign "aid", and use the money savings to reduce our national debt for a change. Why we are borrowing from our future to enrich other countries pisses me off.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was the idea behind NATO. We will see if it holds. Germany is teetering on the verge of losing energy from Russia that it so stupidly relied on. Maybe they will pull out of NATO even.

    We will c what happens with Putin/Russia.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, no. Hitler's first "acquisitions" were neighboring Austria and Czechoslovakia. England and France both decided to ignore these two nations' takeovers. They only drew a hard line with Poland because they had an explicit treaty. Not that it did them any good after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact wherein Russia and Germany divided up Poland between them.

    Again, you're attempting to draw parallels but the parallels are either so extremely tenuous as to be purely hypothetical or lack the necessary support to lend credence to your assertion. Poland especially is a member of NATO. If Russia were to attack it would immediately escalate to a full-blown war. Putin knows he doesn't have the military to take Poland - especially not if opposed by all of NATO.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    but is it worth it to give up your life for that fight that you will never win in your lifetime? Personally, I think the way to win against leftists is to let them control everything and bring it all down. At least they cant blame anyone for it other than themselves. I think the storyline in AS is where it has to go before the masses of people will listen to reason again.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As to china, I have a different view. They will take over Taiwan, but it will be a disaster for China and a source of insurrection for a long time. China has many other problems so I dont think they are going to make it long term. We will see
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    biden wants to do a reset of USA. That would mean cutting out defenses and world power, destroying our currency, making us dependent for energy, encouraging inflation, etc.

    As to what Russia will do when they take over Ukraine, thats up to Putin really. He says in his speeches he wants to restore the Russian Federation back to the power and influence of Soviet Russia through acquisition of the countries the Soviets lost when their economy collapsed. Who knows. If he does what he says, it will be terrible for europe and somewhat negative for the usa until he comes for US.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really dont know. I would assume its the politicians that the citizens vote for, but I just say they are idiots in terms of what they do
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  • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There will be patriots who will fight to the end and there will be people who claim nothing will ever happen to the treasonous scum and there will be people who give up.
    I will never give up the fight and will die on my feet before living on my knees. The rest get the FuQ out of the way.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wasnt Poland the first of Hitler's acquisitions? Back then perhaps you would have said that how could one say that Hitler was an invader, but look at what happened after that.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is the Biden Administration bleeding slowly all of our money munitions and many weapons?
    What’s next when Xi in China invades Taiwan?
    Are we going to pour massive amounts of money into another losing cause that is none of our business? BTW do you know Zelensky outlawed opposition political parties? Oh and keep Russia busy? Up until now most fighting the NeoNAZI’s
    are paid mercenaries easily paid for by the massive increase in cash or Gold from selling oil. You claim “Russia to keep on invading other countries” that is baseless and you really should check your premises.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am so done with the direction the world is moving under various versions of statism that I am losing interest in it actually. Let the statists have what they want and suffer the consequences. I would rather move to a place where I can just live out my life with being minimally impacted by them. When the systems collapse, perhaps people will wise up and be more rational.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Europe is run by idiots to a large extent, and in a way they deserve to be taken over by Russia because of their refusal to see the evil in communism. During the rest of MY life, it is unlikely that Russia will try invading North America or South America (too far away to overcome the severe resistance that they would meet here), so letting statism run its course (again) in Russia might not be such a bad idea
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am changing my view about supporting Ukraine like I did. There isnt a lot to be gained for the USA to risk nuclear war over it. The USA probably cant actually prevent Russia from taking over Ukraine without getting into a real war with Russia. The only legitimate reason to assist in the fight in Ukraine, IMHO, is to keep russia busy and bleeding slowly while not winning or losing, so as to keep Russia from moving on to their next announced targets.

    Winning in Ukraine would require USA fighting Russia and most likely enduring nuclear war. Losing in Ukraine will entice Russia to keep on invading other countries. Neither is a great outcome.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Putin is more like Hitler in terms of invasions and power grabs."

    Like... what exactly? You can't use Ukraine to justify your analysis here.

    "#2 and #3 have been promised by Putin in his speeches and writings."

    Not to doubt you, but please provide links to the speeches/writings you are referring to.

    "Past performance is no guarantee of future performance."

    That too, but the primary issue is that there isn't even any "past performance" to bolster the argument that Putin is a warmonger or megalomaniacal dictator. Corrupt? Sure. But he's been in power since 2000. That's an awful long time and we've seen nothing until Ukraine.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is all projecting based on his own speeches. I have no knowledge of why he would even pick Poland and the baltic states to invade. He just picked them because at one time soviet russia ruled over them.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Putin is more like Hitler in terms of invasions and power grabs. #2 and #3 have been promised by Putin in his speeches and writings. What he does in the future will be what he does in the future. Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ummmm... #1 is still in progress. #2 and #3 are hypotheticals without a shred of support to this point.

    Yes, our government was naive to flirt with Stalin. But Putin is not Stalin. The comparison fails right there.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ummm... that's a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. You're trying to prove your hypothetical by linking it to the outcome of what's happening as if it has already happened and therefore provides justification for itself. It doesn't work.
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