Trust the Government?

Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 8 months ago to Government
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Recent developments in my personal and professional life have me wanting to ask this question of my like-minded Atlas Shrugged fans. In what capacities do you trust your government? Do you trust them to thwart domestic terrorism? Do you trust them to keep food and drugs safe for you and your families? What do you trust them to get right? Anything? I can flesh this out a little more later. Thanks...


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    Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust them to take care of my healthcare needs, to provide a Carabinieri to assist us and protect us from foreign invaders and domestic terrorists, to work with fine companies like Benetton to provide us with an Autostrade system with which we can go from one end of the country to another...

    Oh wait a minute, you weren't talking about the Italian government, were you?... Let me rephrase that...

    I trust them to make it damn near impossible to operate my business, to defend myself, or to actually earn an honest profit, without trying to figure out a way to steal it from me and give it to some freeloader who drives their leased Jaguar to the food bank for their "entitlement" after they've spent their EBT on booze and flash cash at the corner store.

    I trust them to make sufficient laws, not by legal means, but by fiat and declaration, that they can, at a time of their choosing, declare that we have fractured some obscure law and have us incarcerated indefinitely when we have been a sufficient thorn in their side by practicing our rights.

    I trust them to corrupt our children from fine, upstanding future Americans to worthless moocher socialists through their interference, mandates, and falsifications forced upon them (by threat of coercion and condemnation) through our teachers and our schools...

    I trust them to open the gates to those who never earned the right to be here as did OUR forefathers, to those who have no business being here but to prop up their mechanizations and misdeeds, to those who have evil intent upon our citizens, our businesses, our once great nation, and worse, the truth...

    If you can read this, you obviously don't have enough tears of sadness, anguish, and shame in your eyes... so read it again.
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    • Posted by $ Commander 9 years, 8 months ago
      In humble opinion, I believe you may have prefaced this with the following.

      "When in the Course of human events...... To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

      10+
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    • Posted by NealS 9 years, 8 months ago
      Susanne, I love you, just don't tell my wife, and I did read it twice. I can hardly wait until the next election since we don't have the initiative to do anything about anything yet. I can't imagine what I will do if the election doesn't come out my way. I would hope New Zealand would let me move there.
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 8 months ago
        Start saving your money, selling your skills to an NZ company, and selling your guns...
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        • Posted by NealS 9 years, 8 months ago
          I've got enough money. My skills are used up, retired forever, now I consume what ever I can for cash. I did forget about the last thing you mentioned, and my reply is "No Way". I've been to NZ twice, it's a fantastic place, good people, I'd go back in a minute but it's not in the cards for me right now.

          Have you given any more thought to my proposal? Oh, never mind, I guess it wasn't really a proposal after all. But I do like your sense of the government.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 8 months ago
            I can't - I'm already married (and happily so!) (Sorry!!)

            While I love NZ, the firearm thing makes it not plausible for me. Sadly, Australia is even worse - they want you to register and lock up all your "simulated" (read air-soft and cap-gun) firearms, as if they were actual firearms.
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            • Posted by NealS 9 years, 8 months ago
              My heart will eventually get over you, but then again I'm happily married too although my third time, this time 37 years so far so I think it just might work out. I have friends in NZ and Australia that are angry about their governments take on arms. These friends were issued arms back in the late 60's and sent to Vietnam where we met and now they are not allowed to have them. Now where am I going to move?
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago
      LOL...You had me saying "WTH?"....
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 8 months ago
        Being able to call another country "home" has some benefits, even IF it's for comic relief...

        It's funny - I didn't know until a couple years ago (and this after driving various of the Autostrade for a few months out of each year) that they were privately owned by the Benetton family. While they're not the cheapest of toll roads, you *do* get your lire, er, euros worth...
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 8 months ago
          Similar situation in Mexico. When I lived there, the only safe highway to/from the US was a private toll road. The state highways were rife with pirates who would stop you and demand payment or worse. The private toll roads were protected by private police who were known to shoot first and ask questions later.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust them to take my money and give it to people who didn't earn it and causes that I am against. God knows what they do with the rest of it....
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago
    I quite seriously don't trust anybody or institution to do anything in my stead or for me. I believe trust, like respect must be earned and that authority must be granted, not assumed or asserted.
    Our largest failing as a nation was in not taking to heart and using the advice of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington as it relates to the rights of the citizenry to stop and change our government anytime it got out of hand.
    Government at it's base is composed of individuals that like government, and they want control of things we wouldn't trust friends or even family to be in charge of on an individual level.
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  • Posted by Solver 9 years, 8 months ago
    As a collective with a monopoly on force, I trust that big government will grow like a parasite, attracting the worse kind of people.
    The truth hurts. Big governments hurt more.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 8 months ago
    The only thing I trust the Government to do is infringe on my rights to live MY life.

    I trust the Government to TAKE from me the product of MY labor and give it to other people.

    I Trust the Government to always do the WRONG thing morally, ethically, financially and legally.

    I Trust the Government to NEVER put the best interest of the PEOPLE in first place, but only be concerned about keeping their own cushy jobs and bilking the taxpayers out of as much as they can before they leave office.
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  • Posted by AdmNelson 9 years, 8 months ago
    As I best recall, Robert Ringer in his "Looking Out for #1", enumerated the three functions of government. They are:
    1. To make you do something you do not want to do,
    2. To keep you from doing something you do want to do, and
    3. To take away what is rightfully yours.
    I completely trust the government to execute these three responsibilities.
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  • Posted by $ TexOwl 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust them to lie cheat and steal - To try to control my every movement to their own benefit - ultimately to try to enslave me! Basically I trust the government to suck most of the scoundrels out of the decent population and deposit them in positions of corrupt power. Government is evil and the larger it is the more evil it is.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust them to tax the living crap out of me. I trust them to limit my freedoms as a human being. I trust them to accumulate more power in Washington. I don't trust them for anything else.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 8 months ago
    As for trusting the government, Never, NADA, Nope. I know, I used to work for them in the United States Navy and saw plenty of stuff to keep me wondering why our taxes are so high. I think with the militarization of the country's police forces that any domestic terrorism will be dealt with Fast and Furious. Which brings up the point of our ATF and DEA and whatever other government agency causing more danger to US citizens by providing guns and ammo to drug cartels, as if they were dangerous enough before. Drugs and food safety, not when your FDA is in the pocket of all the big money lobbyists. The only thing I trust the government to do is to screw up a wet dream. They add regulation on top of regulation to impede business when all we really need is for the government to get out of the way and let the economy recover from the government induced financial meltdown that caused the recession or depression or whatever you want to call it. In other words, I am in favor of trimming the size of government and voting out everybody that is in office right now and starting over with citizen legislators. One term and done, Senators back to being nominated by the state legislatures and in danger of being recalled if they screw up. Get rid of K street and all the lobbyists. Root out a lot, if not all of the corruption of government. Better yet, neutron bomb inside the beltway, save the buildings but eliminate the people that are the problem.
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  • Posted by authormike 9 years, 8 months ago
    The GOP only cares for themselves and screw the rest of us.
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    • Posted by Maritimus 9 years, 8 months ago
      Another angle: How do you reconcile your complaint with the objectivist reasoned selfishness of all of us who care first about our own life, liberty, property and happiness?
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        Posted by woodlema 9 years, 8 months ago
        Please do not confuse "Selfish", with "Rational Self Interest". I do not recall Rand ever talking about selfish (self-interest) without using the word rational somewhere in context., she used the term "Rational Self Interest", there is a HUGE difference.
        <Mirriam-Wesbster>
        Selfish
        1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
        2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others &amp;amp;lt;a selfish act&amp;amp;gt;


        Now lets look at "Rational Self-Interest". This indicates and has been described as a long term strategy. Example: If I run an auto repair shop and am totally selfish, my customers will very quickly learn I do not care about the quality of the work only the profit I can extract. In short order I will not have any customers and this would not be in my "Rational Self-Interest" especially since I might bet prosecuted for negligence in the event of an accident due to the poor quality of work.

        If I were "Rationally Self-Interested" I would charge what I could, provide a quality job, to satisfy the customer to generate more business. Am I being Selfish? No. Do I have my personal Self-Interest in first place yes? Is the customer happy? Yes. Let's look at it from the customer. Rational Self-Interest" I take my car to the most reputable shop, pay a higher price maybe, but I am assured I am getting the best my money can buy. Am I happy with the cost, maybe not, but my "Rational Self-Interest" from the consumer side dictates that in the end I will not have to bring my car back in for the same repair and I am now driving a safe vehicle.

        "Rational Self-Interest" is not now nor ever predatory in nature, or "Selfish" in the sense the word is being used, nor is it altruistic where one is "sacrificing" ones self for the perceived "greater good."
        If we wanted to take this "Rational Self-Interest" to its most extreme level, let's look at Jesus and his death.
        Biblical Facts:
        1)Jesus had to die to "cover human sins"
        2)Jesus, suffered greatly prior to his death
        3)Jesus did not want to die, but said, "let not my will but yours take place."
        4)God and Jesus loved the world greatly and to the point "God gave his only begotten son."

        "Rational Self-Interest"
        1)Jesus would be placed at the right hand of God and his name would be elevated above all others.
        2)Humans would have the opportunity to live forever
        3)Jesus and his "Kings and Priests" would rule to time indefinite.

        Now I could go into the result has Jesus decided not to die, but the point is "Rational Self-Interest" is not selfish in nature, one benefits in the end from rational self-interest. Jesus knew way ahead of time what would happen during his time on earth, he also knew ahead of time if he failed, or did not complete his mission. The altruism would have meant that in the end Jesus would have received no reward, no benefit from the suffering he received. Job new God, God's punishments and rewards, and new if he remained faithful he would be rewarded even when all his friends said CURSE GOD and DIE.
        From what I can see, looking at this all factually is that "Rational Self-Interest" is a very biblical principal in the context Ayn Rand dcescribes.



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        • Posted by Maritimus 9 years, 8 months ago
          You are absolutely right. I just did not think straight while writing. It is rational self-interest that I had in mind.
          Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I actually call it a good day when I make less than 100 of them.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 9 years, 8 months ago
    Hell no! The entrenched Bureaucrats in all the offices in the five-sided-puzzle-palace, and those controlled by those offices are bought and paid for by the same people they are paid to regulate.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust the government to seek power - especially those who want to be in government in the first place. I do not trust them to seek for anything beyond that because their primary goal is to seek for power at the expense of the freedom of the American people.

    When the individual participants of this nation decide to return to a moral foundation and elect representatives who also support a moral foundation and Constitutional virtues, we may return our country to greatness. I have grave doubts this will happen without a catastrophe, however.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 8 months ago
    Remember that there are supposed to be terrorists everywhere, just waiting to attack.....something. Yet in the 11 years since the 9/11 attacks, not one credible terrorist plot has been thwarted.

    Meanwhile, every American has been inconvenienced by "Homeland Security" to a much greater extent than any terrorists could ever accomplish.

    If indeed there is a "War On Terror", the terrorists won a long time ago. And they didn't have to lift a finger.
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    • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 8 months ago
      And obummer just continues to add to their spoils...
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      • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 8 months ago
        I'm sure that is sufficiently established now that it has become a juggernaut. No matter who is in the White House, "Homeland Security" and related agencies are going to continue to grow. Increasingly obviously, they have an agenda that has nothing to do with terrorists, perhaps the result merely of trying to justify their jobs. But I doubt it.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust the American military to react strongly against a direct attack on American soil. I think that they will find a way of doing this no matter who is in office. (No, I do not count the illegal immigrants in this category. By 'direct attack' I mean something like N Korea shooting a missile into LA.) I trust the 'little jobs' to keep getting done: streets repaired, sewage treatment plants functional. I trust that there are enough individuals in the government who are on some level aware of liberty that the people who want to erode it have to work behind the scenes.

    I trust the gestalt of the American people to be a huge, blind, fumbling, child...until the shit hits the fan and we turn into this awesome tiger-man destroyer hero. It is kinda like having a secret identity, only in this case even WE have forgotten that we have secretsuperpowers.

    I have hope.

    Jan
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    • Posted by tkstone 9 years, 8 months ago
      regrettably I must say as a small city official that even the "little jobs" are being pushed out. The state is pushing for operators that are button pushers not people who can use their mind. The people that can use their mind are being increasingly frustrated and forced into retirement or other professions. The past generation saw many people who did their work with pride regrettably that is deteriorating quickly.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 8 months ago
      Except that the ability to assume those "superpowers" are being eroded. Passivity taught in schools and embraced by the inanity that serves as entertainment today, along with the removal of the ability of the populace to resist - by outlawing ownership of the means and the requirement of registration of same.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
    I used to trust the military, when the constitutionally-
    required civilian leadership was present. and I used
    to trust some of the courts, until Roberts turned on
    us. I used to trust the patent office, until I awoke
    with the Hallings' help. there isn't much left. -- j

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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 8 months ago
    Nice to see somebody here respond to me mentioning the NIH. I have presented to the NIH. You can't trust them. I trust the mafia more.

    Recently, you probably missed that a CDC PhD, Dr. Bill Thompson, came out and blew the whistle on how they fraudulently altered data in a campaign to convince the public that vaccines don't cause autism. He should know. He did the study on the MMR when the data was altered. About 7 years ago, about 5 years after Bill's adventure, I found out that vaccines were causing an epidemic of encephalitis in children (you can call it "autism"). Clearly, finding such information and then seeing those in government tasked with health covering it up did a lot to bolster my own position that the government can't be trusted. The fact that vaccination, as it's prescribed to infants per the CDC schedule, is dangerous actually isn't a secret. It is a topic whispered between pediatricians...an understood truth.

    I have been annoyed by what I see as a religious dedication to any government person in a lab coat, or any department they may represent. It is clear to me that the general public, as a whole, is just one big, fat easy mark.

    A couple of years ago I asked a group of people who called themselves Objectivists if they were in favor of forced vaccination. I was surprised to see that at least half were. I remain curious by that result. If you can't trust them to control our borders, fix roads in a timely manner, or prevent payola in Congress...how could you trust them with this?

    "In times like these, when their fat little comforts are threatened, you may be sure that science is the first thing men will sacrifice." Dr. Stadler in Atlas Shrugged. I can't think of truer words.
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    • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago
      NIH was one of my customers. I wholesaled electrical distribution products. NIH leads the charge about lead poisoning, yet they employ thousands of feet of PILC (Paper Insulated Lead Cable) throughout their facility in Bethesda, MD. I know, because I sold it to them many times. The entire campus is contaminated with various toxins. I even saw a "sterile room" which had been used for HIV research, balled-up and sitting on their loading dock with no warnings or safe keeping. I could go on forever about them, but to stay on point, I will reiterate, ABSOLUTELY, NO! You cannot trust the government. They violate all the laws, and procedures that they force us to adhere to.
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  • Posted by bradberry1984 9 years, 8 months ago
    I trust that they will not stop at anything at which gives them a gain at anything. They are corrupt, inept and evil. If they have a wish or a need they will create the chaos to control anything.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 9 years, 8 months ago
    IIRC, Ronald Reagan (someone with whom I frequently disagree, especially with his religious bent) once said (and I'm paraphrasing); "The most chilling words ever spoken are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help'".
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 9 years, 8 months ago
    There was a time when I trusted government to take care of the national defense. Sadly, they cause more wars than they handle, and if we do win a war, we pay the loser forever.
    No, I cannot think of one thing I trust government with or to do. The members of government have become looters and parasites themselves. Where once I trusted them to defend us from foreign invasion, I now know they will serve their own power and greed above the the interests of the country. I know they want to relieve us of our property rights, lie to us about climate change, and worst, steal the hearts and minds of our children with Common Core. There really is nothing done best by government. They can't even run a post office!
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