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I would like to have some better learned Objectivists explain the current political social situation to me

Posted by $ nickursis 3 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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I would like to see how Objectivism views/interprets the current politics. Are the Liberals right? The Trump people right? No one right? What would work better, and could actually be achievable?


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  • Posted by $ 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    JuliBMe, go look up X22 Report on YouTube, Dave, the guy who does them, does a Political and a Financial vid usually during the week daily. He has been detailing the destruction of the Fed for 3 years now, and one thing Q has posted for three years is "Gold will destroy the Fed". Does that say something? In addition, 2 months ago, the Fed was placed under control of the Treasury, a huge step in it's destruction, that no one reported on. Now, if Munchin wants to release money, he tells them what to do, not the reverse. Huge. After this election, we will have a financial reset. That is why Trump doesn't care how many trillions they blow, he knows it is all fiat anyways, and will be erased soon, at the cartels expense. Although I would make sure I have as littl as possible in a bank, after 2008, they passed the Dodd Frank bill, one thing it did was legalize the ability of a bank to do a "buy in", where they can take up to 50% of your money and give you worthless bank stock in return, sound familiar? Think Social Security Trust Fund. The have no originality, just the same old plays they do over and over. It has worked because of concerted efforts to label any discovery as a "conspiracy theory" Dodd FRank is no theory, it is law.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    nickursis is right about the book, The Creature From Jekyll Island. If you want to understand the financial corruption that we now are enslaved under, who planned it, and how it permeates every part of the economy, read that book.
    If you want to see the results, look online and find a chart showing inflation in the US from the 1780's to the present. Prior to the federal Reserve Act in 1913 inflation did not exist in the US except when a war was being fought that meant the government spent more than it had to destroy things outside the US.
    The value of the US dollar was stable from the time the US constitution was signed until 1913. No inflation. Stable prices. Bankers had to provide their own money to be able make loans and get rich on interest. ZERO inflation. The elderly could save some of their earnings and count on being able to support themselves in their old age because prices would be stable. Since 1913 solely because of the Federal Reserve Act the price level today is 26 times higher than in 1913.
    On average if it cost $1 in 1913, today it costs $26 solely because of the banking cartel stealing from everyone else legally after bribing the US government to create the Federal Reserve Act.
    Read the book. For the first time you'll understand why you are angry and who is the cause.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that's going pretty deep into conspiracies I don't know much about. However, there are many people who believe that President Trump fully intends to end the Fed.

    I'm learning more but I don't understand the Fed system very well. And, I can't see what a return to a gold standard would look like for me personally. But, I DO understand basic market scarcity principles and know that as they print, WE PAY for it as a hidden tax. Printing = Devaluation of the $ in our pockets. Scarcity = HIGHER value.

    I'm for the IRS being eliminated completely, too. With Trump also bringing tariffs back as a revenue source for the Federal government and knowing that he's big on "under budget and ahead of schedule" projects, it's not too outlandish to believe he's also in the process of fixing the WASTE, FRAUD, and ABUSE of the taxpayer's resources. And, the amount of THAT that has been going on, if everyone realized, would make even the most disengaged person go get the torches and pitchforks in RAGE. I'm not exaggerating.

    So, he's obviously reducing the size of this monster and he's finding and reinstituting the Constitutional means for revenue collection. I think we're on the cusp of something many could not imagine.

    And, it tells you why the HATE for him is enormous and pretty bonkers. To put it MILDLY.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, because we happen to have a President who's FINALLY trying to reinstate the US Constitution and the 10th Amendment. For good or ill (depending on your individual perspective).
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  • Posted by mia767ca 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes...the loss of energy is something...I am still training for another marathon...done 77 so far...
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  • Posted by Doug_Huffman 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers; is the warfare of the Christian king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.
    Known as the "anti-slavery clause", this section drafted by Thomas Jefferson was removed from the Declaration at the behest of representatives of South Carolina.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jefferson himself penned the "missing paragraph" from the Declaration of Independence that proposed an end to slavery. Unfortunately, because they needed consensus from all 13 colonies, when Georgia and South Carolina objected to the idea of ending slavery, Jefferson's proposal was dropped from the final version of the Declaration.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Close to you in years and my wife and I both hope what's left of free America can hang in there until after we're dead. Not so sure about that anymore. We now wish we bought a small farm way away from any city years ago, but even though we have the skills we lack the energy of our youth to make it happen today - we are looking though. Marxist flare ups seem to be everywhere these days.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for taking the time to articulate all that. I find we are in agreement with all the topics you cited including conversion of income to sales tax.

    My wife and I have lived in the same house for 40 years and have paid off the mortgage long ago, but can still be thrown into the street if we miss "Royal Rent" payments. My ancestor, who fought in the Rev War, was paid with land that had no such lien attached - and no income tax, either. He's probably rolling in his grave knowing government bullies will show up at my door to slap me around if I don't cough up the loot.

    "Nobody is articulating - or even brainstorming - these kinds of moves back to Constitutional restraints and individual liberty..." Point well taken! I suspect the big rise in the price of beef is at least partly due to the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) stepping on ranchers in the West, but I don't see any addressing the issue after the last shootout.

    Trump has been deregulating some things through executive orders and the left has been screaming - I see it on Facebook all the time about how the planet is doomed for one thing or another. Maybe he'll get around to a few more things on your list, but for now he certainly has other blips on his radar.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think long term collectivism , like the corona virus, has to run its course. AS predicted pretty accurately how things will play out. There’s a lot of education, to be done primarily of new generations to lead a society to the benefits of individual responsibility, individual freedom, and capitalism. In the meantime re electing trump w I’ll allow more of this than the left wing Biden and whoever he selects as the next president when he goes completely senile
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  • Posted by mia767ca 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am in my 70s...in good health...still love living...it will not be easy living in a fascist society...always choose freedom and liberty....
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  • Posted by $ 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yup, I don't see it happening any day soon, the closest thing is a Libertarian, and then they go off the rails and have a food fight at their convention. Not ready for prime time.
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  • Posted by $ 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    JuliBeMe, a YouTuber called Spaceshot76 had this on one of his shows, it is a site where they talk about how to use the laws they imposed on us to make us slaves to the big banksing cartel (aka "Fed"), so they have a stake in it, but it describes the date in question and why it is important:
    "So, fast forward to the early 1900’s and you’ll come across several key events that make it quite obvious there was a master plan at work to enslave the people. If you read a book named The Creature From Jeckyll Island, you’ll become intimately acquainted with the happenings in the year 1910, when 6 men, who were either elite bankers and/or politicians, met in secret in a place named Jeckyll Island. The purpose of this meeting was to formulate plans for economics reforms for the United States. This is where the banking cartel began in this country. The idea of a central bank had always been rejected, and so the men who met on Jeckyll Island, needed to come up with a way to trick the people into allowing a central bank to be instituted.



    Three years later, in 1913, President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into effect, which is the current central bank in the United States, even though it is actually not governed by any agency of the Federal Government. Eight years later, in 1921, the Maternity Act was passed which required all birth to be registered with the state. So, now all key pieces were in place for the upcoming bankruptcy default and restructure."


    http://understandcontractlawandyouwin...
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  • Posted by $ 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "rise up in resistance, and possibly take up arms to defend our freedom. " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
    Jefferson
    https://www.monticello.org/site/resea...

    Even if he owned slaves (a very un-Objectivist idea, anathema) he was a Patriot to the country. He had many faults, but all humans do. Still does not detract from the statement.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not a matter of mental ability. The current situation cannot be settled peacefully because the enemy are determined to use force, and ARE using it, against anyone who even disagrees with them out loud. Once that is going on the only rational reaction is to send the Marines, or if they fail us, take up arms.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How unlucky were you! NB became a bitter man.
    And he was not a thorough Obj.ist.
    I always found AR delightful.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 3 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not a legal scholar so yes, the question of 10th Amendment violation with an Amendment that would perform a blanket abolition of an entire class of taxation nationwide may not be Constitutional. OTOH, I wonder if identifying the perpetual denial of ownership of a duly-purchased residence as a human rights violation would be sufficient to clear that hurdle (the right to the dwelling for which one has paid being as fundamental to human life as the right to eat the food one has purchased.)

    But again, the mere proposal, championed aggressively and publicly, and debated seriously in the halls of Congress, would ipso facto vault the issue to prominence and pull the entire context of property taxation in the direction of individual rights and the importance of private property - something desperately needed at a time when the UN's "Agenda 21" implementation is being ramped up aggressively.

    The abolition of the Income Tax would be a vast benefit, obviously, but the need to maintain funding for essential government rights-defense functions (as identified in the Declaration of Independence,) would require its replacement. The transition between which would be a delicate - if not prohibitively difficult - balancing act.

    Ideally a national sales tax would be a contender, if for nothing else on the issue of financial privacy alone.

    [Nobody should have access to the details of anyone else's income or finances. If you were to discover that a neighbor or even a relative had found a way to examine your personal finances you'd be outraged; why then do we acquiesce to a pack of faceless IRS bureaucrats doing precisely the same, annually? A sales tax would eliminate that privacy violation.]

    But before as radical a change as Income Tax repeal and replacement could be even feasible, there would have to be a drastic, sea-change-type reduction in Federal spending in all areas except the three essentials: the Armed Forces, the Police and the Courts.

    Meanwhile, Malta, Lichtenstein, Croatia, Thailand, Monaco, Fiji, the Cook Islands, New Zealand, Israel, Dubai, Bahrain are countries where there is no residential property taxation at all, or at most a one-time tax on purchase or sale of a residence, but no perpetual, annual tax on property. The United States of America, once the leader of the free world, has a less-just tax policy than Croatia? Than Malta? Than Dubai?

    It's for that reason - and the impending specter of retirement - that I think a property tax abolition is a great and long-overdue idea. Also the fact that with virtually every American home "owner" likely being an enthusiastic supporter, it would sail to ratification in record time. But yes, the Constitutional legality of it would have to be hashed out before it could be advanced.

    And to take it back to my original point: Regardless of legal feasibility, this is the kind of thing we should be hearing from Trump and from all of the Congressional Republicans, continuously, aggressively and relentlessly. The collectivist Left seem to understand this "pendulum swing," because they are continuously spewing a barrage of ever more atrocious assaults on individualism, capitalism and liberty regardless of plausibility - and it serves the purpose of maintaining focus on their warped agenda. From their opposition - the elected Republicans - we typically hear pins hitting the floor, in seeming quadraphonic clarity. Some other off-the-top "radical for liberty" demands, great and small, that could be and should be demanded:

    - The selloff of all government-held lands not sitting directly beneath legitimate government buildings, facilities and military bases, à la Senator Cruz' 2016 campaign pledge (which would be another stake through Agenda 21's heart);
    - The repeal of all absurdities such as regulations of toilets, bans on incandescent light bulbs, and "water use" regulations on appliances such as clothes washing machines;
    - The repeal of all land-use regulations which violate the property rights of landowners;
    - The opening of first class mail delivery to any and all competitors to the USPS (again, if bureaucratic Japan, socialist Britain and even theocratic-hell Iran can successfully privatize their government postal delivery, so can we);
    - The 100% deregulation of homeschooling, of for-profit private schools, of parochial schools, and the implementation of a phase-out of government-run "public" education in total;
    - The review and evaluation of all laws on the premise of coercion as the sole criterion for rights-violation - which would eliminate vast swaths of government regulation;
    - ... to name a few.

    Nobody is articulating - or even brainstorming - these kinds of moves back to Constitutional restraints and individual liberty, while the opposition continues to vomit an endless stream of assaults on them. This must change, but it won't unless Trump gets himself a whole new, better lineup of advisers.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 3 years, 10 months ago
    Rand came from a communist background. She had a head start and early appreciation of capitalism and freedom of self, when she found it in the US. I think she would be unhappy with both political parties as it now stands. However, where the left has gone violates almost every idea of Objectivim. Wear masks to protect someone else? Pay into false ideas of Green Scam Deal, to make someone else rich and powerful, against our own individualism? The whole idea of compromise in the form of Congressional funding, where Trump give up ideals to gain passage of collectivist programs. not acceptable. Rioters given a pass to destroy other's property, to have now personal accountability under Dem Atty's General fuded by former Nazi Soros? Everyone being legislated to support Black Lives Matter, which is against the freedoms and individualsim of all other races, no way. The toal disrespect for private property ownership by the rioters, their funders and the left. But Trump did no better when he used eminent domain to obtain property in Las Vegas years ago. We have failings on both sides, but the left takes us closer to that whic Rand fled and despised, farther from property rights and individualism, closer to clooectivism, calling for us to live for others who despise us, as it were.
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