NY Arrogance At Fault - Travel From New York City Seeded Wave of U.S. Outbreaks
Posted by freedomforall 4 years ago to Politics
"The central role of New York’s outbreak shows that decisions made by state and federal officials — including waiting to impose distancing measures and to limit international flights — helped shape the trajectory of the outbreak and allowed it to grow in the rest of the country."
“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Mr. Cuomo said on March 2. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/ny...
“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Mr. Cuomo said on March 2. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/ny...
But they know that exposing those "qualities" won't change voters minds to support the socialist state and vote against Trump. The mainstream media are acting abominably. They are even worse than Trump in their arrogance and untruthful, biased "reporting" that is nothing more than political propaganda.
"The point is Trump dropped the ball and failed to take the threat seriously until it was late in the game." It looks like you've swallowed all the snarky split hairs the I-Hate-Trump media put out. I find it hard to believe you can still make such a statement after the timeline TheRealBill posted to one of your other posts above and even more could be added to that timeline. IMHO, Trump did the best any leader could have done - and he worked overtime to maintain a sense of optimism even when things were looking abysmal - and the snarky media railed him for that, too. It's OK to admit that.
The author of the cited article, Chris Edwards, seems to lean more towards the states and local authorities handling a crisis as much as possible before appealing to the Federal Government, which I agree with. In his third "here" of his "here, here, and here" set of links he gives a nicely written voluminous history of disaster response culminating in the leviathan we know as FEMA. Note this linked article was written on 12/1/2014 while Obama was in the WH and before Trump entered the political arena. He seems to be presenting a theme that central planning power in a crisis in many cases can lead to errors and abuses and bureaucratic agencies (like FEMA) that have been granted that power may operate without waiting for official permission or oversight.
He notes that bureaucratic indifference to oversight practice in this paragraph:
"Although President Trump has directed states and hospitals to secure what supplies they can, the federal government is quietly seizing orders, leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need to deal with the coronavirus pandemic."
Chris Edwards strongly alludes that FEMA is the culprit but only names names in a few examples. If all this is true, then it seems the Trump administration needs to put a thumb on FEMA.
With that said, the part of the quote, "...leaving medical providers across the country in the dark about where the material is going and how they can get what they need..." is still a slight misnomer because the Trump administration is dealing closely with the governors of the states to make sure they get what they ask for - and governors have substantiated that claim.
The 16th Amendment could be legally exercised to make us all slaves. Most of us are just 30% slaves now.
Milton used the concept to apply to pollution, which I find useful and novel.
For me, a claim from a person who is biased is not a "fact" unless corroborated by an unbiased source.
Thanks for providing another source that has been a reliable source (albeit based upon a biased report from the LA Times.).
I find it believable that FEMA, a gigantic federal agency with broad (often unconstitutional) powers was responding as described, and doing so without Trump's knowledge or participation. FEMA has always been run by bureaucrats under every administration. Prior administrations, e.g., Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama, consistently expanded power over the states, while Trump has acted to relinquish more power to the states and their own people as the US Constitution established in the 10th amendment. That would obviously clash with federal bureaucrats who live to expand their own power, and Con-gress has given them a free hand to do so when "emergency" conditions exist. Sources including Democratic con-gress people, candidates for office, and liberal biased newspapers like the LA Times and Boston Globe would not have complained about that overreach and conflict with the states if one of their liberal cartel were sitting in the Oval Office. Blaming Trump for the actions of a bureaucracy that was created by Democrats under Carter and constantly expanded by con-gress is hypocrisy. It is designed to embarrass one who did not give the orders and to manipulate the minds of voters. They irrationally complain when Trump takes action that he is a dictator and irrationally complain that he should take power when he fulfills his oath to obey the constitution. Blaming Trump is hypocritical, biased rubbish, unworthy of objectivists.
https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-gov...
Here is another source but not specific to mass:
https://www.cato.org/blog/federal-gov...
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/04/...
The Coronavirus War between America and China, who will win?
It may not be either; when it comes to pandemics, city-states do better than empires. The Taiwans, the South Koreas, and the Singapores.
The United States has- Department of Health and Human Services the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Food and Drug Administration and the Public Health Service, the National Disaster Medical System. all failed.
Big problem needs big government?
This is what it does: agencies, laws, reports, PowerPoint presentations… and then — when the endlessly discussed crisis actually happens — paralysis, panic.
History shows that plagues tend to be bad for big empires with weak frontiers.
2019, 'Global Health Security Index' ranked the US first and the UK second in the world in terms of their ‘global health security capabilities’! (I'll put up more on the UK performance)
A new league table of coronavirus health safety by the 'Deep Knowledge Group' puts Israel, Singapore, New Zealand, Hong Kong and Taiwan at the top.
What helps- dis-economies of scale, controlled paranoia- Taiwan, Israel.
By contrast, the big global players — China, the United States and the EU — have all done terribly, each in their own distinctive way.
The US has the chance to address the two biggest defects of its system: the confusion of politics with showbiz (which produced Trump) and the chronic sclerosis of the deep state (which also produced Trump).
A quite severe assessment, the final paras give some optimism.
(Do not confuse Niall Ferguson with Neil ..)
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From Politico: "Then Trump called the coronavirus “their new hoax.”" Actually this line is not a quote from Trump, it is a spin.
From Snopes: "During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu." This is also not a direct quote from Trump's speech, but is spin similar in nature to the above from Politico.
After the above spin Snopes comes clean: "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."
Even Politico sort of admits its spinning here: “The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. They're politicizing it,” he said. “They don't have any clue. They can't even count their votes in Iowa. No, they can't. They can't count their votes. One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax.” In reality, Trump isn't calling C-19 a hoax, he's calling the democrat politicizing of the virus a hoax - and the dems are still at it to this day.
On one hand, you are arguing that Trump could not reasonable response to this crisis due to the challenges he had to deal with from COVID-19, Democrats, and attacks the media. As an aside, Trump attacks Democrats and the media all the time and I would say he gets what he gives there, but I digress. Yet, on the other hand, New York state, when face with the same problem, are completely incompetent in their response, even though Trump initially didn't do much to help them be successful to begin with. It's like you trying to have your cake and it eat it too.
Now, I don't defend New York State response to COVID-19 crisis, but what I am saying is the failure of New York State is own in part by the Federal Government, by failing to provide enough support Whether you like it or not, Trump is the president and he owns the Federal response to this crisis. I would say Federal response has been poor to say least. Of course, COVID-19 has been a virus that caught all off guard. I should also point out that we shouldn't playing the blame game here, but I didn't start it. I was merely pointing out if there is someone who is blame it is the president. He is the one person who could act to handle the crisis effectively or he is the one that can serious mock it up. Trump seriously mock it up.
Of course, he still have a chance to patch things up, but so far I am not impressed and I think he setting us up for even more misery from the COVID-19. We still don't know for sure everyone that has been expose and we don't have enough testing capacity. The medical capacity needs to increase as well to deal with a surge in cases. Of course, it might be the case the economy can't wait. Trump seems to think that real threat is the failing economy, he could be right on that point. However, he can't ignore COVID-19 in process. Please stop defending his COVID-19 response, stop blaming the democrats, when they are not even in charge, please just stop it with the partisanship nonsense. Trump is an idiot and just come to terms with that please.
Don't get me wrong, I know that I may be misinformed, but do you really think you have all facts straight?
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