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Oil futures - You actually would have to pay people to take it off of your hands

Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years ago to News
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Some major player or company just went under. This is an Atlas Shrugged moment like none other in the Trump era. This isn't a minor tremor. This is a tsunami-generating earthquake!

I wonder if Ellis Wyatt is building oil tank storage.

If I were trying to cause an economic collapse today like John Galt did in Atlas Shrugged, what happened today might be the way to do it.

I made money 25 years ago on unleaded gasoline futures. What happened today is going to be measured in the trillions of dollars, maybe more than that.

What I cannot understand is why no one has posted on this yet!


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  • Posted by preimert1 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought the US was able to pump oil back into depleted oil wells as a strategic hedge against manupulation by OPEC etal. as happened in the past? Is that storage full also?
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Lets urge the people here to read or re-read Ayn Rand's
    Return Of The Primitive
    The Anti-Industrial Revolution

    They are as pertinent and accurate today as they were 40+ years ago when she and Peter Schwartz wrote them.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they are doubling down on their plan inspite of a rebellion across the world against the Deep State.

    Trump/Q's plan will try to cut them off at the knees but will it work?...dunno...
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If that doesn't describe an Atlas Shrugged looter's opinion ..., particularly the use of the word "magically".
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "The June contract is at $20, so oil will magically be at $20 Tuesday morning." It's Tuesday morning and the June contract at the moment is . . . $11.41
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    It sounds like a return to the Dark Ages. Calling them the Middle Ages instead of the Dark Ages is like calling the virus COVID-19 instead of the Wuhan coronavirus.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 4 years ago
    If we consider that that incredible economic prosperity in the 20th century in America was caused by a combination of a high degree of Individual Rights, limited government, and an inexpensive, unlimited amount oil, then what are the chances of a return to prosperity in the 21st century filled with limited Individual Rights, Unlimited government power, and oil that costs more to produce than it can be sold for?
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Olduglycarl, now you are thinking what I was when I saw this happening. If I were George Soros trying to collapse capitalism and put the world's wealth into my pocket, making the oil market collapse would be an excellent way to do that.

    Moreover, if the oil business collapses, it paves the way for an environmentalist "solution".

    This looks like something a carbon credit trader would do.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    And we know the cause of the excess supply...why would two competitors compete themselves into oblivion?

    I am wondering about the market for storage, as you say, the environ[Mental]ist have made that difficult...surprised no one has come up with a solution.

    Somewhere on this post, someone mentioned putting oil into played out wells. It's likely those wells will begin to refill if the notion that oil is actually created by bacteria deep in the earth and does not come from fossils, is true.

    Would have been the perfect place if not for those to things. (the origin of oil and the environMENTAList.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You can lose an unlimited amount, even more than being bankrupted. Why this concerns me is that someone big is on the losing side of that bet. If it is a bank, then this could seriously cause a great depression.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The futures market is extremely risky, but very rewarding to those who play it well. When I bet on unleaded gasoline futures going up in the spring and down in the fall because of seasonal demand, it was not a sure bet, but based on the history at the time, a relatively sure bet.

    The reason it went below zero is that no one has a place to store the excess supply!
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 years ago
    Well, we are having a TOUGH time wrapping our heads around this.

    Black Gold... If that were true, people would not let it go NEGATIVE!
    But the problem is one of storage. If you have no place to put it, you have to keep it on the ship, which means RENTING the ship!
    Nobody can afford that right now.

    These are absolutely crazy times... Imagine being Saudi Arabia, and having to ask "How many barrels do we have to sell for 1.00 to break even?"
    I have asked friends in Russia how they think this will impact them. This would be different if it happened in the dead of winter...

    This is the season of demand drop off, and the refineries shut down to "fix things" (to keep prices up, LOL)...

    But IMAGINE being the person who said "Give me 10 futures at 1.00... How much can I lose?" And now they get the bill... And they are bankrupted.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Isn't the "Futures" market a risky bet in the first place? It's like playing the lottery with a few statistics behind your bet.

    One does so, knowing he may lose bigly.

    So maybe the question should be...what force was behind making it go below 0 in the first place...maybe the same force that created the covin pandemic?..and probably the same force that will try to create a higher demand...like war?...and make a bundle in the process.
    Same ole story isn't it?
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  • Posted by $ 4 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The key point is not why it turned negative. That part is pretty obvious, but who got killed by it?
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