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Grammar optional at UW-Tacoma

Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 8 months ago to Education
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One more off my list of universities I will allow my kids to consider. What utter lunacy and this guy is the director of their writing center!


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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 4 years, 8 months ago
    Correct grammar "racist"?--No, it is racist to assume that black people are incapable of learning to speak/write correct grammatical English.
    ---Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed Huckleberry Finn, and read it over and over. But Twain's intention was not to convert all Americans to speak like Huck; he was not presented as an ideal speaker, he was an ignorant boy, raised in a racist society and had a racist father, and, despite his handicaps (emphasis: handicaps), learned to rise morally above them.
    I suppose it is all right, occasionally, to let one's hair down and use sloppy grammar. I do, sometimes: "he don't", "I ain't", etc. But I do not do that when I write a letter to the editor of a newspaper. People need to know what correct grammar is, and, especially when expressing ideas, they need to be able to do so with precision.--And if one is supposed to wear oneself out in getting to college, only to be told that grammar is "optional" and unnecessary, what in the h**l is the use in going?
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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Proper language is also a sign of a disciplined mind. Those are getting pretty rare despite the 7 billion people on the planet...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 8 months ago
    Think about this: proper language is sliding away. Why? Because with smartphones that make it possible to dictate text, and have text messages read aloud to you, literacy is becoming optional. It would be trivial to create an app that could scan written signs or statements and speak them to you.

    The population of emojis is becoming almost as numerous as the Chinese language, with its 40,000 characters, so it's possible to create messages using emojis to the knowledgeable that are more like hieroglyphics.

    Cursive writing is disappearing from many schools, treated as unnecessary art. That shows a lack of respect, or at least indifference to the written word.

    An illiterate society is easily controlled, since they can't discover whether the government is telling them lies or not. That society also likely has little respect for drive and initiative, and so long as their basic needs are provided, aren't likely to complain too much. Think about it.
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  • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In rock beat is a tool. It amplifies the music and secondary to the melody.

    In rap, there is nothing else but the beat and a monotonic cadence of text that best can be described as the sound of tennis shoes in the drier (as one of our colleagues here characterized it perfectly earlier).

    Not to mention the kind of "lyrics" rehearsed that are not fit for publication.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But Big Brother says 2+2=5.....
    On another point, you are correct there is no melody in rap. There is only a "beat" that appeals to some other instincts. Rock n Roll combines melodies and a beat.....long live rock n roll.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. The proliferation of cursing and its apparent acceptability, is by design. When I am working to make an argument, I refrain from cursing and keep it conceptual, trying hard to avoid making it personal. So many podcasts and YouTube channels offer a host that is comfortable cursing. If you have a good point or argument, the cursing only works to debase that point or argument. This is one more reason that I find Dave Rubin's YT show, and Jordan Peterson's lectures compelling. They are considerate, passionate, and use complete sentences; they refrain from using foul language.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A is A. Words have meaning ... Music, at least the way that I was taught decades ago, has a basic set of requirements. One of them is melody. Rap lacks melody. It is not music. I point this out when in polite company. My observation is often met with discomfort. Some (many?) people cannot handle the truth.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 8 months ago
    For urinalists today, as long as the headline is clearly socialist and anti-freedom, the words used are as unimportant as the content of the article.
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  • Posted by $ brightwriter 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Look up the PRAXIS exam, the examination series used by most states for aspiring teachers to qualify for teaching licenses. I could have passed it in fourth grade. The blind cannot lead the blind, and the ignorant cannot lead the ignorant.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years, 8 months ago
    I took a couple of those IDS courses, and they wer good back in the day. When the head of the Science dept. found I could write about science, I was asked to change my major to science. I already was completing two majors, and science was a minor, as I had taken two each semester, to bacuse I liked it. She said no one in her science classes could expalin what they were learning in words, and I had to change my major. I did not. But, that says a lot, as this dept. head felt expressing even science in words was important.
    One of my majors was English, and I saw that ed majors in a few required Eng. courses, had the worst grades in the class in English. Now, we are to accept that they must only feel about math, just try at English, and thye can't communicate with verbal methods with the people with and for whom they work. It just gets worse and worse.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 8 months ago
    Face it, anything that is not of the loony left is racist these days.
    And the more socialist you are makes you more worthy to live on this getting sillier and sillier planet.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course you are. Just because it happens to be certain ethnic groups (and that primarily in large - Democratic run - cities) which overwhelmingly are the audience doesn't seem to matter much.
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  • Posted by exceller 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rap!

    The manifestation of the intelligence level of some groups. I won't name them. Of course I am a racist for pointing it out.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see another sign of this in the profligation of "colorful metaphors" as Spock would say. To me, foul language is the sign of an uncultured mind and it seems to be prevalent in baser society - especially rap music. Elevate your mind = elevate your language.
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 years, 8 months ago
    Thanks again to Walter E. Williams this time as the author of this article.

    My comments:
    - Awarding marks according to the labor input rather than the achievement is straight Marxism.
    - Chomsky's views about universal elements in all human language would negate the proposition about correct English being racist. But Chomsky is wrong.
    - The prime function of language is usually given as communication. If thoughts are not communicated, why bother? Complying with formal grammar helps this, and certainly adds to an impression of professionalism.
    - Another way to look at what they, the post-modernists/progressives/marxists, are doing is that it actually encourages poor language. Poor language adds victimhood cred.
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