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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 5 years, 10 months ago
    Different context:
    But sometimes socking someone consistently annoying is sooo gratifying. :)
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  • Posted by edweaver 5 years, 10 months ago
    Depends on the circumstances so I say the statement is incorrect. In the case of self defense, the use of force (violence) may be justified. Not initiating force may result in the loss of your own life or the life of a family member. It is a judgement call.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What if B unholstered his weapon and A continued his threats? Would B be justified in shooting?
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  • Posted by 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “Violence” is defined in the Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition as “1. physical force used to injure, damage, or destroy; extreme roughness of action.” A threat is not “physical force”.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you think that Ayn Rand had a clear definition when she wrote "...no man may initiate—do you hear me? no man may start—the use of physical force against others..." Remember she had Dagny shooting a guard who had not initiated violence against her?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If A is twice as big as B and B for limping can't run away like concealed carry me, B just may consider his life in danger.
    Other possible variations A and Bare countless, though.
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  • Posted by mminnick 5 years, 10 months ago
    Dependeds upon your definition of initialing violence. If I walk u and hit you in the face, that's wrong. If you are walking toward me with a knif yelling I'm going to get you. If at all possible I'll hit you first and as violently as possible if I can't get away.
    Question is who initiated the violence?
    It is never cut and dried or simple to allply as saying initialing violence is always wrong..

    I know I'm picking examples that really stretch you statement but just trying to show that a clearer definition of initiating is needed.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 10 months ago
    If A threatens to punch B in the face and B responds by shooting A, which one has initiated violence?
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