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SAT to use 'adversity score' for students applying to college

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The College Board, which oversees the SAT exam used by most U.S. colleges during the admissions process, plans to introduce an “adversity score” which takes into consideration the social and economic background of every student. "
The new adversity score is being calculated using 15 factors, including the crime rate and poverty level from the student's high school and neighborhood, The Wall Street Journal first reported.
Students won't be privy to their scores but colleges and universities will see them when reviewing applications."
"So far, 50 colleges have used it in making a decision about a prospective student's chances. The College Board plans to expand that to 150 higher learning institutions in the fall. The goal is to use it broadly by 2021."
"Yale University is one of the schools that has used adversity scores. The Connecticut-based Ivy has pushed to increase socioeconomic diversity in recent years and has almost doubled the number of low-income students.
"This (adversity score) is literally affecting every application we look at," Jeremiah Quinlan, dean of undergraduate admissions at Yale, told WSJ. "It has been a part of the success story to help diversity our freshman class." "

Doesn't Merit and hard work count for anything anymore. Of the 50 colleges using the "Adversity Score" how many admitted students that would not have been accepted without the score?
SOURCE URL: https://www.foxnews.com/us/sat-to-use-adversity-score-for-students-applying-to-college


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  • Posted by  $  qhrjk 4 months ago
    This is terrifying. I'm currently in high school and would really appreciate if they didn't regulate and hinder academic competition more than they already do...
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    • Posted by  $  gharkness 4 months ago
      This is horrible. Absolutely horrible. I just saw photos of my youngest granddaughter receiving the award for the HIGHEST SAT score in her 7th grade class. My grandson is currently in the application process for several high-quality colleges.

      Yes, I suppose you could say they have some advantages, because they are in a school district known for excellence, and they come from a long, long line of high-IQ overachievers. Do you suppose that happened by accident? My son and his wife didn't just "accidentally" arrive there. They worked so hard and gave up a lot to get where they are (neither of them has a college degree, but in true AR style, they decided that they would not allow that to matter - you do what you have to do.) And now, to cap their brilliant kids at the knees is unconscionable!

      Is this a punishment for the recent scandal where the TV stars paid bribes to get their kids into school? I bet this is part of it, though not all. The rest is pure Bioleninism. But what of the kids and their families who did nothing wrong - they just happen to be in the "wrong" place at the "wrong" time, with brain power that literally will not be stopped.

      There will be a huge price to pay for this. Part of the price is that 1) You can't keep a good man down....so you, qhrjk, and people like you and my grandkids will succeed ANYWAY! (Thank goodness for kids like you!) 2) There is going to be an enormous re-evaluation of the quality of Ivy league graduates when industry realizes that these schools are putting out a substandard "product." And the "educators" will stand around scratching their heads, wondering "what went wrong with their brilliant plan."
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      • Posted by  $  qhrjk 4 months ago
        I appreciate the brief pep talk at the end :)

        The adversity score seems inevitable in this day and age, but I hope your prediction comes true and they re-evaluate the education system once it fails. I have a feeling they won't...
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  • Posted by term2 4 months ago
    I dont really care about 'diversity" at all. I dont care where they came from, the color of their skin, as well as the rest of the diversity characteristics.

    Much more important for me is the culture people were steeped in as children, and the way they think (or dont think) now.

    I wouldnt send my kids to college today. I think one can learn on their own much better, cheaper, and faster than if they waste time in our liberal colleges.
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 4 months ago
      That last is true enough; except that if you want to become a doctor, you have to have a license. Or a lawyer, and a few other professions like that.
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      • Posted by  $  gharkness 4 months ago
        If they can change the requirements for college entrance/SAT, they can change the requirements for licensing as well. Editing to add: I'm a CPA and I protect my license VERY carefully, but as time goes on, I can see younger, more liberal people taking over the process and loosening the requirements. Because, you know, they "deserve" it.
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 4 months ago
    So the higher you are on the victimhood scale the lower the score you need to pass the SAT. Then you can blame society for all your problems when you don’t do as good as you feel you should have, when leaving your safe space and entering the real world, thus creating another angry activist. Got it!
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    • Posted by Robert_B 4 months ago
      Yes, and the victimhood score will only increase when it is realized the skills and talent are lacking outside of the classroom, too. These kids would literally be set up for failure.
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      • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 4 months ago
        How about the rest of us being "set up for failure?" Low-skills, low-merit graduates may not be too dangerous in "Women's Studies," "Sensitivity Awareness in Lesbian Literature", etc., but what about Engineering or Pre-Med (and on into Medical School, Internship, Residency, etc.). I do NOT want a surgeon cutting me open because he skated through school because he was black (or brown, or "trans" or insert your favorite victim group). Or how about driving across a bridge designed by an "adversity disadvantaged" civil engineer who got his degree because "you can't flunk the black dude!' (or, can't flunk the black dude when he takes his PE Exam, either!). Maybe its time to retire, move to the wilderness of Alaska, and become a hermit...
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        • Posted by Robert_B 4 months ago
          How odd. I thought it might be worthwhile doing the same. At least I could hunt, fish, chop wood, and grow vegetables better than "an 'adversity disadvantaged' civil engineer" could calculate strength of materials!
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        • Posted by bobsprinkle 4 months ago
          from your text....move to the wilderness of Alaska, and become a hermit...
          There is a tv show on Discovery or History channel about folks who have done just that. I'v seen where they have to poop and where they get their milk....
          Sarcasm...off
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 4 months ago
    College is no longer about academics, only getting those they can reform into commies. Remember when we took the SAT and CAT cold turkey. It was about what you had learned over your years, no prepping, no stand ins, just what we knew. I had an alcoholic mother, guess that would have earned me points, however my score was such I did not need to play victim. My brother was denied entrance to Georgetown, with excellent scores, because of Black enetitelment there. College is a bloated waste of moneytoday, and they may actually ruin your kids, and send them home AOCs.
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  • Posted by TheOldMan 4 months ago
    Simple solution. Rent an apt in some high-crime, low-income area, have your mail sent there, show up once a week, and use that address on all of your academic filings.
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    • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 4 months ago
      LOL! I think they call that gaming the system. It reminds me of when they started requiring all toy guns to have an orange tip added to the muzzle, so adrenaline-pumped police crashing through the door ,responding to a 911 call, don't shoot the 5-year-old kid whose aiming a plastic toy gun at them, and they (the cops) think the kid has a real gun (orange muzzles are supposed to be toy guns). So, what if a real bad guy paints the muzzle-end of his Glock orange? Like, we didn't see that coming (or maybe bad guys aren't that smart?).
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
    So for bright kids like my son who got a 1520 just last month, he'll get edged out for scholarship opportunities because he didn't live in an inner city. I'm sure he'll be happy to hear that justification on his denied college applications. Of course, I might be secretly celebrating that he isn't going to one of these pandering institutes of backward indoctrination.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 months ago
      No surprise that he scored so high, being your son. Have him apply to Prager University.
      Keep him away from the liberal brainwashing.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
        While I appreciate the compliment, I think he got more of my wife. ;)

        Prager's a good idea, but he wants to do something math/comp sci-related - which he's really good at. I cringe every time he says MIT or Cal-Tech because they have excellent programs in the areas he wants to pursue but very corrosive atmospheres. The one thing I do have going for me is that I'm too poor (and dang-it if I had to work while going to school so do my kids!) to try to pay for him to go anywhere and he knows that. So unless they offer him a full-ride with all the bells and whistles, he's going to have to go somewhere a little more realistic.
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    • Posted by  $  jbrenner 4 months ago
      I would be honored to mentor your son at Florida Tech. What is your son interested in?
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
        Computer science and language, mostly. He studied linguistics on his own and now knows as much as my wife does (who actually has a BA in Linguistics)! He even created his own language.

        Linguistics joke coined by my son: "Pardon me. I just expelled a gluteal frickative..."

        I'll let him know about Florida Tech. It's a long ways away, but I can vouch for the program... ;)
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        • Posted by  $  jbrenner 4 months ago
          We do not have a linguistics program, but our computer science and software engineering programs are first rate. Enjoy the best time of the year out in Idaho.
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          • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
            The linguistics is a sideshow/hobby. Comp Sci is his real forte so since you have that I'll throw it over to him. Thanks!
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            • Posted by  $  jbrenner 4 months ago
              Our computer science program specializes in cybersecurity. Perhaps your son can write encryption languages and programs.
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              • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
                That's cool. He's certainly got the math background for it. I'll definitely suggest it when I get home. He's a junior and starting to get all the mail adverts...
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                • Posted by  $  jbrenner 4 months ago
                  If your son comes to Florida Tech, he will enjoy my new class emphasizing Arduinos, sensors and controls, and 3D printing called "The Basics of Making". I am teaching this class to entrepreneurial engineers and scientists (i.e. my own class of Galts, D'Anconias, and Danneskjolds).
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                  • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
                    Yes, he would. He has already used his Raspberry Pi to create a wireless robot - as well as a game controller for classic Nintendo games. Of course he also helped me get my Pi configured for digital communications via amateur radio so I can't fault him too much for his video gaming... ;)
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 4 months ago
      "Hear that justification"? I understand that the students aren't going to be told what the "adjustment" scores are. But maybe a Freedom-of-
      Information" suit can take care of that.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 4 months ago
        I think FOIA requests only apply to the government - not private entities. It's the same reason no one can request Obama's transcripts from Columbia despite the fact that no one remembers him attending classes there...
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 months ago
    No problem, at least for the well off. They will rent a home in a suitably deprived area and ensure that sufficient mail is addressed to that address.
    Private agencies can compile dossiers on divorces and discords in the family and on troubles and fights in schools attended.
    You may say it won't work if the criteria are secret, private agencies can help out here as well.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 4 months ago
    Let's see if I've got this straight: Yale wants to increase its socioeconomic diversity, has doubled the number of low-income students, claims the adversity score is "part of the success story to help diversity (sic, diversify?) our freshman class." Having eschewed the Christian values of its roots, and the liberal bias of the reigning faculty and administration, how does conservatism rank on the adversity scale? IE: liberal and conservative students have equal numeric scores on the SAT, will the liberal get a higher score while the conservative a lower one? There can be much manipulation, especially since students do not have access to the adversity score or any way to challenge it, it's like a secret court where you do not know what the crime is but only that you are guilty. Since academics are not necessarily a requirement for entry, Yale has merely become another liberal diploma mill!
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 4 months ago
    I think that the American people should boycott the colleges. Show them who's boss. Show them that if they show contempt for the customer they're going to go out of business. Yes, I do meant it.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 4 months ago
    This is the dumbing down of education. This morning I spoke (Spanish) with a darling little 4 year old. He was attending our ESL classes at the Community Center (free of charge). He is in Pre-K (free of any charge) and will be educated here as we have been doing since the 70's (to my recollection, probably before). We start ESL classes at Pre-K and have for at least 40 years!
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    • Posted by  $  4 months ago
      His family apparently is will to adopt English and other American values. They apparently want to assimilate into the U.S. cultural system or at least have their children do so. this is a good sign on their part. Of course I could be totally wrong on this and it is all a shame being played out by the child. I don't believe this for a minute it is just a possibility.
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      • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 months ago
        I am in agreement. Trump supporters have no problem with immigration to The US.
        We have a problem with illegal entry. We have a problem with chain migration. We have a problem that the Cons in Congress who have created this disaster by not legislating rules and laws that make sense. Trump supporters are very welcoming people, that welcome is provided for the people who have good character and values. We want people who want America to be Great not people that want to bring the own native countries failed system here.
        Trump supporters are pro woman- pro humanity and will never ever approve of Sharia Law.
        Trump and his supporters have 20/20 in their vision.
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  • Posted by Abaco 4 months ago
    Reminds me of a kid at my high school who got 100% on the SAT. I imagine it happens, but I've not heard of another example of that. Funny thing...this kid looked (even dressed) like Jesus. Haha...

    Look, regarding this story...the left is obsessed with race. They like squalor. Not much more need be said...
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  • Posted by Russpilot 4 months ago
    So, what you are saying is gangbangers from the hood will get extra points, while kids who have worked hard at getting their education will be put at a disadvantage? Typical liberal logic.
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 4 months ago
    Next, IQ scores readjusted based on new adversity bonuses. The greater your victimhood identities, the more bonuses added to your IQ.
    (Thinking not required.)

    (This better stay sarcasm.)
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 4 months ago
    The education system in the US and Europe has become more of a long term welfare program than a system of higher learning. Why wouldn’t a person take the free money for 5 or 6 or more years of free room and board? The degree in Sexual Norms in Homeless Populations will get you a government job for a short time, and then you can retire with a nice pension.
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  • Posted by  $  pixelate 4 months ago
    This reminds me of the story of the all female engineering team that designed the Florida pedestrian bridge that enjoyed a spectacular failure upon its completion. The gals get preferential points for gender or sex or whatever it's being called today.
    https://www.eurthisnthat.com/2018/03/...

    Similarly -- imagine the surgeon cutting into you in context of moving through the system while carrying the Diversity Disadvantaged and Marginalized cards.

    The dunces that push this nonsense harbor self-hatred somewhere at the base of their values hierarchy.
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  • Posted by  $  25n56il4 4 months ago
    I have a tiny problem with this. Today a guy was explaining they would test a student who finished above the others in his class in Mississippi, by 400%. Then the whole class, or school maybe, would get the benefit of his Adversity Score! Am I stupid? Why don't we just all move our kids over to Mississippi? Then they will all get the benefit of this Adversity Score thing.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 4 months ago
    It seems like a good idea, My kids are in elementary school, and it's important that they have diversity.

    I don't know how I feel about college. I didn't go to an elite college. I think they're good, but they engage strongly in the negative sell. That's where the sales person says, "maybe this product isn't right for you," enticing customers to start arguing the case of what they should buy.

    So I like their considering adversity, BUT I approach it like any big purchase. They're telling me the case for why I should buy. Caveat emptor.
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    • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 4 months ago
      If diversity actually meant diverse opinions and ideas, that would be educational. Sadly, diversity means people with different color skin all thinking the same thing.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 months ago
        This is something I see a lot of people struggle with. We don't want to isolated in our little bubble, but that's a natural instinct. It takes some thought to draw the line of what's different ideas that make us uncomfortable and what's just misbehavior. I can come up with clear ideas, but it's harder where the rubber meets the road and people have a mixture of some misbehavior (infringing on others' rights) and some ideas that make us uncomfortable.
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    • Posted by  $  Solver 4 months ago
      My dad was a fireman at one time. He told me a story where some bureaucrats wanted some more women in the fire department. So they got more women to apply for the job. Some of the women couldn’t pass all the tests, like hauling a 200 pound sack across the floor and out a door in a certain amount of time. So they reduce the sack to 150 pounds so they could pass.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 4 months ago
      I’ll try the negative sell on you.
      Don’t support Trump because making America Great again is not for everyone.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 months ago
        I say this without any any irony or sarcasm. I never thought America wasn't great except for briefly at a teenager and in my early 20s. Then I saw other places, met other people, read more, had a chance to run projects and organizations and see how hard it is, and I realized America really is great. I am always for making things better. Another world is possible. But I always stop and look at this time and place, and I consider it amazingly good.
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